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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:04:39 GMT
I keep a log of where I've moored but would feel that the need to keep receipts etc was more than I'd tolerate.
I occasionally overstay on visitor moorings but that is nearly always down to weather (I'm overstaying tonight as the rain and wind wasn't condusive to a pleasant single handed cruise through some swing bridges). Haven't reported my overstay to CRT, even if I tried they only work M-F.... CRT won't know about my overstaying unless they read this post, there is more freedom than some people seem to suggest unless you start taking the piss.
My main judge of what I'm doing is - is it likely to inconvenience other boaters.
the receipt thing is not a bad idea to be fair. Having the log is great but should it come to it, being able to corroborate the log would go a long way, say in a court. Some dated pictures would also help. It would be some pretty conclusive evidence that will put any CRT case to bed. The day I have to worry about doing that sort of thing will be the day I put the boat up for sale!
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 16:07:30 GMT
the receipt thing is not a bad idea to be fair. Having the log is great but should it come to it, being able to corroborate the log would go a long way, say in a court. Some dated pictures would also help. It would be some pretty conclusive evidence that will put any CRT case to bed. The day I have to worry about doing that sort of thing will be the day I put the boat up for sale! I get that. And the majority will probably agree with you. Its not hard to stay away from enforcement, but they do make mistakes and sometimes there are big consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:07:53 GMT
That was my thinking thebfg ... but in truth it is slightly paranoid ... my boating record is never going to attract interest from enforcement. Now someone with mental or medical health issues, unregistered , staying in one spot or area, hoarding rubbish and detritus ... easy target. Rog
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 16:14:32 GMT
That was my thinking thebfg ... but in truth it is slightly paranoid ... my boating record is never going to attract interest from enforcement. Now someone with mental or medical health issues, unregistered , staying in one spot or area, hoarding rubbish and detritus ... easy target. Rog sadly true. Most will comply once they get a restricted licence. Donw the West K&A not many get taken as the restricted licence kicks in and they then get the help they need and comply. Which was the whole point I made earlier, that you do get warnings and a chance to improve and comply. The OP will know way ahead of any removal if he's not complying.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 8, 2021 16:15:56 GMT
The "Please move on" texts and emails are obviously computer-generated, and I think you'd need to trigger them fairly frequently before an actual bod took a look into your case. As I've mentioned here before I've triggered a false positive in the past but when I phoned them to discuss it the Case Manager was contrite to the point of sheepishness and it was expunged from my record.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:20:00 GMT
The "Please move on" texts and emails are obviously computer-generated, and I think you'd need to trigger them fairly frequently before an actual bod took a look into your case. As I've mentioned here before I've triggered a false positive in the past but when I phoned them to discuss it the Case Manager was contrite to the point of sheepishness and it was expunged from my record. The point is that there are some sad souls (and perhaps we all know one) who are not, for whatever reason 'switched on' to the requirements, and can find themselves in a world of trouble ... but it's NEVER an overnight thing. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 8, 2021 16:26:20 GMT
In any regulated activity you'll find folk who hold the view that the Law doesn't apply to them, and they will decide what they do, not the regulatory authority. Compared to other regulatory bodies I've had to deal with in the past, such as DVSA (formerly VOSA) then CRT are a bunch of pussy cats whose approach seems to be to spend several years cajoling and hectoring before actually doing anything. Try running an unlicenced heavy goods vehicle and see how long you get away with that.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 16:29:40 GMT
Which is why the OP shouldn't worry about it. He will find out if he's not doing enough traveling and I hope improve( to comply with CRT) or if a mistake he can question it.
P.s in reply to Rog.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:30:16 GMT
Due to some overstating close to my residential craft in inner London CRT eventually blocked me from purchasing canal licenses without having a mooring.
Hmm. Not sure they are technically allowed to do so but it wasn't all that bad as I managed to remove that particular boat and have installed it in a Socially Distant location near Henley.
They (CRT) did offer to assist me with Equality Act adjustments but I took the view that retreating to a social distance was probably a better option overall and it seems to have been successful thus far.
So in essence they will deal with persistent overstayers but if you have a valid reason (which in my case I did as I have a protected characteristic) then you can sort it out and there are quite a large number of boat owners who do exactly that.
I'm not into doing that myself, preferring the withdrawal to a social distance option.
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Post by Trina on Aug 8, 2021 16:33:36 GMT
We got an overstay email in 2015 when we were on the G&S(we like the G&S).The fact that we'd been up onto the Avon via Tewkesbury & back again,plus were facing in a different direction was 'gently' pointed out to them.We also keep a daily log & a friend uses his FB page as back up to his log recording the miles travelled & number of locks.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 8, 2021 16:36:04 GMT
In any regulated activity you'll find folk who hold the view that the Law doesn't apply to them, and they will decide what they do, not the regulatory authority. Compared to other regulatory bodies I've had to deal with in the past, such as DVSA (formerly VOSA) then CRT are a bunch of pussy cats whose approach seems to be to spend several years cajoling and hectoring before actually doing anything. Try running an unlicenced heavy goods vehicle and see how long you get away with that. To be fair to Tony, I believe in my opinion that all he wants to achieve is CRT operate within the legal bounds they have been given. It's not up to us to decide, although we can and do. But I believe he's trying to get a court to agree with him and tell CRT. I think that was the only thing that boat was for. I wish him luck but at his age he probably should enjoy life and not have the worry. Perhaps write a nice book on his life for us to enjoy. But I think you made a great point. Although vosa etc do operate to the law and have much more specific legislation to enforce.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 8, 2021 16:41:16 GMT
We got an overstay email in 2015 when we were on the G&S(we like the G&S).The fact that we'd been up onto the Avon via Tewkesbury & back again,plus were facing in a different direction was 'gently' pointed out to them.We also keep a daily log & a friend uses his FB page as back up to his log recording the miles travelled & number of locks. Same happened to me, spotted twice at Tarleton. Phoning and explaining to them that I had done the entire length of the Lancaster Canal in between the two sightings had the CRT bod on the back foot from the Get-Go, and then pointing out to him that CRT ought to know this since I had traversed the Ribble Link twice in between the sightings and as this had to be booked, both passages were clearly recorded, and marked as "Completed" on... errr, my CRT account page.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:49:31 GMT
If you make a booking and don't complete it or cancel it, CRT still records it as completed on your CRT page...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 17:56:03 GMT
Christ, you lot don't take any prisoners do you! You will feel right at home when someone calls u a T..T I don't think that will take too long... Thanks to everyone who's posted, the info and varied points of view have been very informative, you are a great bunch and I feel at home here, cheers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 8, 2021 17:57:09 GMT
Essentially, I think that if you buy a boat because you want to go boating, you'll be fine. If you buy a boat because you can't afford to rent a flat then that's when you will run into enforcement issues.
I can honestly see both sides of the coin here. Folk need somewhere to live, and housing policy in the UK has been a shitstorm for decades. But also travelling boaters need to be able to moor some place when they are cruising.
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