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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 17:54:27 GMT
Much more of this stuff and I might even consider voting for Boris in the future...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 19:03:12 GMT
Steady on ... the man's still a buffoon
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 9, 2021 16:20:08 GMT
I tend to think the NI rise is more about sucking money out of the economy in a rather futile attempt to stave off inflation than about NHS funding.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 16:43:21 GMT
Makes perfect sense. Good thinking there.
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Post by phil70 on Sept 9, 2021 22:29:13 GMT
I would imagine that a tax rise was always going to happen, after all common sense says the the government must try to recoup some (if not all) of the money "borrowed" to pay for furlough, uplift of UC, etc etc We just have to suck it up and crack on with it. Phil
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Post by JohnV on Sept 10, 2021 5:47:59 GMT
I would imagine that a tax rise was always going to happen, after all common sense says the the government must try to recoup some (if not all) of the money "borrowed" to pay for furlough, uplift of UC, etc etc We just have to suck it up and crack on with it. Phil In a nutshell Phil
The night before last I happened to see something on the box ...... didn't watch much was too disgusted and switched off. Talking to my sister yesterday she had watched the whole thing and she said she had been shouting at the television (not something she is prone to)
A couple were nearly in tears because their Mothers house was going to have to be sold to fund her care in a home because she had developed dementia.
This meant they were being robbed of their inheritance !!! WTF !!!
Where the hell does this belief that you are entitled to inherit wealth that someone else worked for ?
The wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime should rightly be spent on maintaining them when they can no longer manage on their own !!! It should be considered a form of insurance.
Why the hell should everybody else pay for their parents care just so greedy buggers can get a nice fat inheritance ........ sod off !!! stand on your own two feet !!!
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2021 6:10:24 GMT
I would imagine that a tax rise was always going to happen, after all common sense says the the government must try to recoup some (if not all) of the money "borrowed" to pay for furlough, uplift of UC, etc etc We just have to suck it up and crack on with it. Phil In a nutshell Phil
The night before last I happened to see something on the box ...... didn't watch much was too disgusted and switched off. Talking to my sister yesterday she had watched the whole thing and she said she had been shouting at the television (not something she is prone to)
A couple were nearly in tears because their Mothers house was going to have to be sold to fund her care in a home because she had developed dementia.
This meant they were being robbed of their inheritance !!! WTF !!!
Where the hell does this belief that you are entitled to inherit wealth that someone else worked for ?
The wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime should rightly be spent on maintaining them when they can no longer manage on their own !!! It should be considered a form of insurance.
Why the hell should everybody else pay for their parents care just so greedy buggers can get a nice fat inheritance ........ sod off !!! stand on your own two feet !!!
I sort of agree with what you're saying. The problem that appears to have always been there is this: You can have two people admitted to the same care home- One has worked all their life, saved for their retirement. Worked to buy their own house and provide for their family. The other hasn't saved a penny, spent everything they earn (if they earn at all). The first enters the retirement home and has to give up everything to pay for their care. The second enters with nothing and has all their care paid for. This, I would suggest, is what really needs to be addressed. Or maybe I, like many others, have got it all wrong and would be better blowing it all now.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 10, 2021 6:28:35 GMT
If the value of your house/savings runs out then the state pays (I forget the exact figures but they only take up to 80% ? of the value of the property and down to ? £10,000 in savings) they don't just chuck you out in penury greenman I agree with the last part but then how do you cope with greedy/entitled/lazy/stupid people anyway ? That's the flaw in universal social care be it unemployment/sickness/age There are always going to be freeloaders and I am not sure how you can deal with that without hurting a lot of genuine people in the process
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2021 6:42:44 GMT
If the value of your house/savings runs out then the state pays (I forget the exact figures but they only take up to 80% ? of the value of the property and down to ? £10,000 in savings) they don't just chuck you out in penury greenman I agree with the last part but then how do you cope with greedy/entitled/lazy/stupid people anyway ? That's the flaw in universal social care be it unemployment/sickness/age There are always going to be freeloaders and I am not sure how you can deal with that without hurting a lot of genuine people in the process The problem is, if the systems seen as unfair then people will circumvent it. A bloke at work has just set up his finances so that on paper his children own his house so the state can't touch it if he goes into care. It didn't cost him very much to set it up.
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2021 6:48:47 GMT
It's working people like me who are paying your pensions. Take a breath and read what I've just written. Not sure how you could pay my pension as you don't live here.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 10, 2021 6:58:27 GMT
If the value of your house/savings runs out then the state pays (I forget the exact figures but they only take up to 80% ? of the value of the property and down to ? £10,000 in savings) they don't just chuck you out in penury greenman I agree with the last part but then how do you cope with greedy/entitled/lazy/stupid people anyway ? That's the flaw in universal social care be it unemployment/sickness/age There are always going to be freeloaders and I am not sure how you can deal with that without hurting a lot of genuine people in the process The problem is, if the systems seen as unfair then people will circumvent it.A bloke at work has just set up his finances so that on paper his children own his house so the state can't touch it if he goes into care. It didn't cost him very much to set it up. That's the sort of person I was describing ..... entitled ..... a very common attitude, they consider it unfair that they can't con everybody else to foot the bill for them.
They are also stupid because they fail to see that doing that simply means that in the end the system collapses or greedy because they can see that they are being unfair and don't give a toss if others suffer as long as they come out ahead.
That might seem harsh but if you take things through to their logical conclusion that's what you end up with. ........ Trouble is it's driven by the primal drives of the ape brain so I'm not sure if it can be changed
Some changes possibly by education ...... but as the saying goes ...."You can't educate pork"
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2021 7:00:48 GMT
The problem is, if the systems seen as unfair then people will circumvent it.A bloke at work has just set up his finances so that on paper his children own his house so the state can't touch it if he goes into care. It didn't cost him very much to set it up. That's the sort of person I was describing ..... entitled ..... a very common attitude, they consider it unfair that they can't con everybody else to foot the bill for them.
They are also stupid because they fail to see that doing that simply means that in the end the system collapses or greedy because they can see that they are being unfair and don't give a toss if others suffer as long as they come out ahead.
That might seem harsh but if you take things through to their logical conclusion that's what you end up with. ........ Trouble is it's driven by the primal drives of the ape brain so I'm not sure if it can be changed
Some changes possibly by education ...... but as the saying goes ...."You can't educate pork" Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 7:12:37 GMT
If the value of your house/savings runs out then the state pays (I forget the exact figures but they only take up to 80% ? of the value of the property and down to ? £10,000 in savings) they don't just chuck you out in penury greenman I agree with the last part but then how do you cope with greedy/entitled/lazy/stupid people anyway ? That's the flaw in universal social care be it unemployment/sickness/age There are always going to be freeloaders and I am not sure how you can deal with that without hurting a lot of genuine people in the process Think its down to 20K.. Have a friend about to go through this with her mum.
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Post by tonyb on Sept 10, 2021 7:12:55 GMT
I would imagine that a tax rise was always going to happen, after all common sense says the the government must try to recoup some (if not all) of the money "borrowed" to pay for furlough, uplift of UC, etc etc We just have to suck it up and crack on with it. Phil In a nutshell Phil
The night before last I happened to see something on the box ...... didn't watch much was too disgusted and switched off. Talking to my sister yesterday she had watched the whole thing and she said she had been shouting at the television (not something she is prone to)
A couple were nearly in tears because their Mothers house was going to have to be sold to fund her care in a home because she had developed dementia.
This meant they were being robbed of their inheritance !!! WTF !!!
Where the hell does this belief that you are entitled to inherit wealth that someone else worked for ?
The wealth a person accumulates during their lifetime should rightly be spent on maintaining them when they can no longer manage on their own !!! It should be considered a form of insurance.
Why the hell should everybody else pay for their parents care just so greedy buggers can get a nice fat inheritance ........ sod off !!! stand on your own two feet !!!
If you remember when you were young and like so many were probably struggling to pay your mortgage and bring kids up you were paying tax and NI - that is unless you were one of the lucky few who managed somehow to get a council house that was paid for by the other rate payers. While you were struggling and paying your NI your money went to support those in need at that time and from my observations the care from the councils was better than the privatised care delivered now. That was the Social Contract, you pay for today's pensioners and others will pay when your time comes. Then privatisation came, that seems designed to force citizens to be fleeced by big companies for providing the necessities of life. Also the provision of public housing all but stopped so there was and still are more opportunities to fleece ordinary folks who need a house.
On the financial side of things, lack of successive government inaction has allowed those with plenty of money to avoid the various taxes ordinary folk have to pay and in that I include companies.
The Social Contract has been broken down because political dogma is more important than looking after people along with the constant dripping of "there is no such thing as society" type messages, so we now seem to have produced a very selfish national outlook typified by your post.
If the government of the day does not want to meet the Social Contract, then let the repay all the NI the pensioners have paid over their lives with interest. I note that it is not just social care that is being eroded, Over the last years, from long before covid, getting basic health care has been made more and more difficult by having to deal with inadequate telephone systems, negotiating with officious non-medically trained receptionists, the guidelines that mean doctors can refuse to consider ALL a persons symptoms, and it seems are not required to give a diagnosis and not refer you to someone who can.
Just you wait, soon you will be paying for all you and yours health requirements or being let to die, possibly in squalor, unless the Social Contract is reinvigorated and I don't see the present government doing that.
When everyone in the country faces simmilar tax then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 7:13:29 GMT
It's working people like me who are paying your pensions. So you pay your tax to the Uk government?
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