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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 7:22:21 GMT
What did the smartphone ever do for us? All of the things the BFG mentioned, and more.
Ah, the ubiquitous smartphone. Love them or hate them, they are here to stay. To misquote an old adage "the best camera is the one you have with you", These days, that is typically your phone. It is the Swiss army knife of modern life to a whole generation, usually a younger one. To say it is a phone, or even a smartphone is a massive understatement. It is a portable computer,loaded with all the tools required to get people through the modern world.
Sure, separates work, but add up the cost of buying them. The requirement to power them all, the charging leads for them. Not to mention all the space they take up. Where better for an all in one device than on a boat.
I suppose John V has a point. Why embrace new technology when you already have old tech that works fine. Time to ditch those lithium batteries, and solar panels.
Of course, if I lose mine. I'm fooked.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 7:30:42 GMT
I suppose John V has a point. Why embrace new technology when you already have old tech that works fine. Time to ditch those lithium batteries, and solar panels. Of course, if I lose mine. I'm fooked. False analogy.
Lead acids and praying to Peukert didn't work that was the problem ...... If it had worked I wouldn't have changed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 7:34:10 GMT
I suppose John V has a point. Why embrace new technology when you already have old tech that works fine. Time to ditch those lithium batteries, and solar panels. Of course, if I lose mine. I'm fooked. False analogy.
Lead acids and praying to Peukert didn't work that was the problem ...... If it had worked I wouldn't have changed I'm not sure how lead acid batteries don't work. They have worked for decades, just not very well, and perhaps not as well a newer technology. Perhaps in your situation they didn't work, but if that is so, why did you install them in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 7:50:41 GMT
Electricity is a scam. Imagine how much more simple life would be without it.
And with all this climate change bollocks we are being inexorably driven to have everything run on electric and all our consumption (heating, transport, lighting etc) driven to a single source, which ultimately is not ours to control.
It's very handy but things like electric power will ultimately enslave humans.
The worst thing was the wheel. Look what that did. Huge logistics industry to separate food production from humans as much as possible, encourage people to live far away from each other and break up communities by building ever more roads for the wheels to roll on.
It's all wrong at the end of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 7:53:18 GMT
Electricity is a scam. Imagine how much more simple life would be without it. And with all this climate change bollocks we are being inexorably driven to have everything run on electric and all our consumption (heating, transport, lighting etc) driven to a single source, which ultimately is not ours to control. It's very handy but things like electric power will ultimately enslave humans. The worst thing was the wheel. Look what that did. Huge logistics industry to separate food production from humans as much as possible, encourage people to live far away from each other and break up communities by building ever more roads for the wheels to roll on. It's all wrong at the end of the day. Don't get us started on the wheel FFS. It will just go round and round in circles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 7:54:21 GMT
I'm trying to bring my kids up as minimalist luddites. We do this one to hammer home that wheels are bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 8:00:17 GMT
I see your point. This modern tech is bloody dangerous in the hands of cave men.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 8:00:39 GMT
It was the praying to peukert particularly ...... Pb's are difficult to charge to the high enough charge state to give them the longest life and you can only use 40 odd percent of a fully charged Pb, again to ensure a long life, they are very heavy and their energy density is poor. and I installed them because there wasn't anything else around that was practical.
Solar helps Pb's enormously with long steady charging but shortly after I installed solar I was offered Lithiums at a very good price, my Pb's were failing and were going to be replaced anyway, ballancing cost against the much increased usable capacity made LiFePO4's a no brainer. As 99% of the draw from the batteries is by the inverter, that gives me an automatic warning of low voltage and also at still above the damage threashold of the lithiums an auto low voltage cut out. As they are only charged either by a programable battery charger or by the programable solar MPPT which are set to a maximum charge level of about 90%, that also means I don't need an overcharging cutoout so the system is very simple cheap and looks after itself.
You also have to remember all the low voltage lighting around at the time was incandescent lamps which are horribly power hungry and give a very poor light.
25 years ago there wasn't much of an option it was lead acids or oil or gas lamps. Ideally both for when the batteries died
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 8:01:52 GMT
I see your point. This modern tech is bloody dangerous in the hands of cave men. Humans actually are cavemen (and women, and gender fluid, and gender flip flop, and gender curious) that's the problem.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 8:03:39 GMT
I see your point. This modern tech is bloody dangerous in the hands of cave men. Humans actually are cavemen (and women, and gender fluid, and gender flip flop, and gender curious) that's the problem. Yup !!! technology has changed ..... we haven't
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 8:04:29 GMT
25 years ago there wasn't much of an option it was lead acids or oil or gas lamps. Idealy both for when the batteries died On my first narrow boat in 1994 I had a tiny little black and white telly. The picture would get smaller vertically when the batteries were low. Charged batteries with a Honda EX650 and a Clarke's battery charger. Also did have oil lamps but never much liked the smell. Happy days in the floating shed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 8:09:30 GMT
It was the praying to peukert particularly ...... Pb's are difficult to charge to the high enough charge state to give them the longest life and you can only use 40 odd percent of a fully charged Pb, again to ensure a long life, they are very heavy and their energy density is poor. and I installed them because there wasn't anything else around that was practical. Solar helps Pb's enormously with long steady charging but shortly after I installed solar I was offered Lithiums at a very good price, my Pb's were failing and were going to be replaced anyway, ballancing cost against the much increased usable capacity made LiFePO4's a no brainer. As 99% of the draw from the batteries is by the inverter, that gives me an automatic warning of low voltage and also at still above the damage threashold of the lithiums an auto low voltage cut out. As they are only charged either by a programable battery charger or by the programable solar MPPT which are set to a maximum charge level of about 90%, that also means I don't need an overcharging cutoout so the system is very simple cheap and looks after itself. You also have to remember all the low voltage lighting around at the time was incandescent lamps which are horribly power hungry and give a very poor light. 25 years ago there wasn't much of an option it was lead acids or oil or gas lamps. Idealy both for when the batteries died I understand. I am in the process of doing the same thing. My point was, however, that you embraced the new technology that came along, which is what many people,including myself, have chosen to do with phone technology. That is not to say that I don't still have access to old cameras, GPS's and dumb phones, I just choose not to use them as much. They remain very much as backup devices.
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Post by Jim on Oct 3, 2021 8:39:11 GMT
So what’s the problem then? It must be one of those 'beholder's eye' things. Easily removed with optrex, according to Spike Milligan.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2021 8:52:30 GMT
Humans actually are cavemen (and women, and gender fluid, and gender flip flop, and gender curious) that's the problem. Yup !!! technology has changed ..... we haven't What I don’t really understand in your case, is that as I understand it your working life involved dealing with modern (at the time) technology. That technology was streets ahead of eg the technology extant when you were a child. In other words, as you grew up/older you moved along with the advances in technology. But at some point in your later life, that stopped. You viewed newer technology with resentment and dislike. You now regard most technology post your middle years as undesirable. I wonder what it was that prompted that change. And I’m not picking on you particularly, I see this in very many people. Personally I relish and am fascinated by modern technology. I embrace it, I don’t resent it. Mind you, I am only 65 so maybe my technology freeze is yet to come…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 9:10:56 GMT
I can understand it. Most new tech needs some time and effort to get to grips with it. Smartphones have a 'learning curve' associated with them like most other things. If you a reliant on that one thing, which then doesn't work, because you don't know how to work it, you loose confidence in it, or perhaps your ability to learn new things.
ETA. Perhaps the older you get, the time you have becomes more valuable and time spent learning new stuff is not as profitable as it once was. Which makes me wonder why people spend so much time typing crap on an internet forum (myself included).
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