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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 9:27:54 GMT
Yup !!! technology has changed ..... we haven't What I don’t really understand in your case, is that as I understand it your working life involved dealing with modern (at the time) technology. That technology was streets ahead of eg the technology extant when you were a child. In other words, as you grew up/older you moved along with the advances in technology. But at some point in your later life, that stopped. You viewed newer technology with resentment and dislike. You now regard most technology post your middle years as undesirable. I wonder what it was that prompted that change. And I’m not picking on you particularly, I see this in very many people. Personally I relish and am fascinated by modern technology. I embrace it, I don’t resent it. Mind you, I am only 65 so maybe my technology freeze is yet to come… No, you are misreading it.
I am interested in new technology and in research but I am no longer blindly in favour of immediate application in Industry or manufacturing unless there is a real need or advantage. Too many things are looked at from a short term point of view and often what may happen long term is not considered, One on the horizon is Graphene, Yes an incredible material with many possible fantastic uses ..... however not much is being talked about concerning it's toxicity when it gets into the environment ...... again something not found in nature
Far too many things have been developed to solve a current problem and have ended up by being bloody disasterous for the future. Tetraethyl lead in petrol is one example, PET the plastic developed for fizzy drink bottles to stop the carbon dioxide escaping and the drink going flat and one of the worst forms of plastic pollution, microplastic beads used in cosmetics etc which is now becomming a major problem as it is appearing in the flesh of birds, animals and us.
There are umpteen other examples. Many of these "problems" that have been "solved" are not really genuine problems they are just a development that allows someone to make a bigger profit.
Many developments are eagerly introduced by manufacturers who see big profits and really are not interested in the long term effects even when they are pointed out to them.
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Post by patty on Oct 3, 2021 9:42:19 GMT
I can understand it. Most new tech needs some time and effort to get to grips with it. Smartphones have a 'learning curve' associated with them like most other things. If you a reliant on that one thing, which then doesn't work, because you don't know how to work it, you loose confidence in it, or perhaps your ability to learn new things. I think that's my problem.. Just cannot understand the how to and when I'm shown I forget so its easier not to bother
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 9:57:30 GMT
I can understand it. Most new tech needs some time and effort to get to grips with it. Smartphones have a 'learning curve' associated with them like most other things. If you a reliant on that one thing, which then doesn't work, because you don't know how to work it, you loose confidence in it, or perhaps your ability to learn new things. I think that's my problem.. Just cannot understand the how to and when I'm shown I forget so its easier not to bother I must admit, as I am getting older I find it harder and harder to retain information I once took for granted. How to operate new things need to be written down, so having one device that I am familiar with, should be a good thing right? Now where did I put those instructions I wrote about how not to melt my Lithium batteries.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2021 11:32:51 GMT
What I don’t really understand in your case, is that as I understand it your working life involved dealing with modern (at the time) technology. That technology was streets ahead of eg the technology extant when you were a child. In other words, as you grew up/older you moved along with the advances in technology. But at some point in your later life, that stopped. You viewed newer technology with resentment and dislike. You now regard most technology post your middle years as undesirable. I wonder what it was that prompted that change. And I’m not picking on you particularly, I see this in very many people. Personally I relish and am fascinated by modern technology. I embrace it, I don’t resent it. Mind you, I am only 65 so maybe my technology freeze is yet to come… No, you are misreading it.
I am interested in new technology and in research but I am no longer blindly in favour of immediate application in Industry or manufacturing unless there is a real need or advantage. Too many things are looked at from a short term point of view and often what may happen long term is not considered, One on the horizon is Graphene, Yes an incredible material with many possible fantastic uses ..... however not much is being talked about concerning it's toxicity when it gets into the environment ...... again something not found in nature
Far too many things have been developed to solve a current problem and have ended up by being bloody disasterous for the future. Tetraethyl lead in petrol is one example, PET the plastic developed for fizzy drink bottles to stop the carbon dioxide escaping and the drink going flat and one of the worst forms of plastic pollution, microplastic beads used in cosmetics etc which is now becomming a major problem as it is appearing in the flesh of birds, animals and us.
There are umpteen other examples. Many of these "problems" that have been "solved" are not really genuine problems they are just a development that allows someone to make a bigger profit.
Many developments are eagerly introduced by manufacturers who see big profits and really are not interested in the long term effects even when they are pointed out to them.
I agree about stupidities such as the obsession with having to carry a plastic bottle of water 24/7, plastic granules in toothpaste and cosmetics etc. As to graphene, I’m not sure we know how harmful it might be - but clearly we should find out before releasing it into the environment. But you (and I) are anti those things because of pollution. Which wasn’t really my point, that being the advancements of electronic technology eg a smartphone. I use my phone for weather, getting NOTAMs and METARs, banking, emails, text messages, as a secure repository for all my many account logins and passwords, as a camera of remarkably good quality, as a torch, to control the heating at home and on the boat, as an alarm clock, a talking book, a calculator, to pay for stuff via contactless, listening to the radio, playing music, navigating … and the list goes on. Of course one can have individual devices to do many of the above, but why bother (and why create more electronic scrap) when it can all be done with one device. My suspicion is that you don’t like the idea of a smartphone because you’ve never tried one. I was certainly in that position when it came to tablets/iPads. I had a phone for on the go stuff (screen rather small though) and I had a laptop for “proper” computing. What possible use could a rather expensive iPad have? … except that now I have it, I use it all the time, more so than any other device.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 11:49:36 GMT
No, you are misreading it.
I am interested in new technology and in research but I am no longer blindly in favour of immediate application in Industry or manufacturing unless there is a real need or advantage. Too many things are looked at from a short term point of view and often what may happen long term is not considered, One on the horizon is Graphene, Yes an incredible material with many possible fantastic uses ..... however not much is being talked about concerning it's toxicity when it gets into the environment ...... again something not found in nature
Far too many things have been developed to solve a current problem and have ended up by being bloody disasterous for the future. Tetraethyl lead in petrol is one example, PET the plastic developed for fizzy drink bottles to stop the carbon dioxide escaping and the drink going flat and one of the worst forms of plastic pollution, microplastic beads used in cosmetics etc which is now becomming a major problem as it is appearing in the flesh of birds, animals and us.
There are umpteen other examples. Many of these "problems" that have been "solved" are not really genuine problems they are just a development that allows someone to make a bigger profit.
Many developments are eagerly introduced by manufacturers who see big profits and really are not interested in the long term effects even when they are pointed out to them.
I agree about stupidities such as the obsession with having to carry a plastic bottle of water 24/7, plastic granules in toothpaste and cosmetics etc. As to graphene, I’m not sure we know how harmful it might be - but clearly we should find out before releasing it into the environment. But you (and I) are anti those things because of pollution. Which wasn’t really my point, that being the advancements of electronic technology eg a smartphone. I use my phone for weather, getting NOTAMs and METARs, banking, emails, text messages, as a secure repository for all my many account logins and passwords, as a camera of remarkably good quality, as a torch, to control the heating at home and on the boat, as an alarm clock, a talking book, a calculator, to pay for stuff via contactless, listening to the radio, playing music, navigating … and the list goes on. Of course one can have individual devices to do many of the above, but why bother (and why create more electronic scrap) when it can all be done with one device. My suspicion is that you don’t like the idea of a smartphone because you’ve never tried one. I was certainly in that position when it came to tablets/iPads. I had a phone for on the go stuff (screen rather small though) and I had a laptop for “proper” computing. What possible use could a rather expensive iPad have? … except that now I have it, I use it all the time, more so than any other device. Yeah, but apart from the NOTAMs and METARs, banking, emails, text messages, as a secure repository for all my many account logins and passwords, as a camera of remarkably good quality, as a torch, to control the heating at home and on the boat, as an alarm clock, a talking book, a calculator, to pay for stuff via contactless, listening to the radio, playing music, navigating … What did the smartphone ever do for us?
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 11:51:40 GMT
No, you are misreading it.
I am interested in new technology and in research but I am no longer blindly in favour of immediate application in Industry or manufacturing unless there is a real need or advantage. Too many things are looked at from a short term point of view and often what may happen long term is not considered, One on the horizon is Graphene, Yes an incredible material with many possible fantastic uses ..... however not much is being talked about concerning it's toxicity when it gets into the environment ...... again something not found in nature
Far too many things have been developed to solve a current problem and have ended up by being bloody disasterous for the future. Tetraethyl lead in petrol is one example, PET the plastic developed for fizzy drink bottles to stop the carbon dioxide escaping and the drink going flat and one of the worst forms of plastic pollution, microplastic beads used in cosmetics etc which is now becomming a major problem as it is appearing in the flesh of birds, animals and us.
There are umpteen other examples. Many of these "problems" that have been "solved" are not really genuine problems they are just a development that allows someone to make a bigger profit.
Many developments are eagerly introduced by manufacturers who see big profits and really are not interested in the long term effects even when they are pointed out to them.
Of course one can have individual devices to do many of the above, but why bother (and why create more electronic scrap) when it can all be done with one device.
My suspicion is that you don’t like the idea of a smartphone because you’ve never tried one. I was certainly in that position when it came to tablets/iPads. I had a phone for on the go stuff (screen rather small though) and I had a laptop for “proper” computing. What possible use could a rather expensive iPad have? … except that now I have it, I use it all the time, more so than any other device. I think it is the pressure that is put on people (to an extent that is what people are doing on this thread) to advance with new developments that bugs me a bit.
I hate being "influenced" by the "it's the latest thing and if you don't get it you will be left out" attitude (and being a bloody minded type, if I feel pressure to do something for which I can see no good reason then I will go in the opposite direction just for the hell of it)
I have a camera with which I have been happy, I have an ordinary phone with which I am quite happy , especially it's very long battery life. and I have a laptop that sits on the table and is used like a desk top. that also suits me as I do not get distracted when I should be doing something else (something that I notice a hell of a lot of people are) so basically virtually everything that a smartphone does, my existing separates do just as well. I see no advantage to scrapping perfectly good bits of equipment, that fulfill my requirements adequately in favour of one device that if it fails means I lose the lot. It's a bit like the choice of whether to have a separate washing machine and tumble dryer or a combined unit. Unless space doesn't permit I prefer separates, you don't have to buy a new tumble dryer if the washing machine breaks down.
If and when anythinhg breaks, I may then look at my options but until then I will stick with what I have
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2021 11:55:05 GMT
I agree about stupidities such as the obsession with having to carry a plastic bottle of water 24/7, plastic granules in toothpaste and cosmetics etc. As to graphene, I’m not sure we know how harmful it might be - but clearly we should find out before releasing it into the environment. But you (and I) are anti those things because of pollution. Which wasn’t really my point, that being the advancements of electronic technology eg a smartphone. I use my phone for weather, getting NOTAMs and METARs, banking, emails, text messages, as a secure repository for all my many account logins and passwords, as a camera of remarkably good quality, as a torch, to control the heating at home and on the boat, as an alarm clock, a talking book, a calculator, to pay for stuff via contactless, listening to the radio, playing music, navigating … and the list goes on. Of course one can have individual devices to do many of the above, but why bother (and why create more electronic scrap) when it can all be done with one device. My suspicion is that you don’t like the idea of a smartphone because you’ve never tried one. I was certainly in that position when it came to tablets/iPads. I had a phone for on the go stuff (screen rather small though) and I had a laptop for “proper” computing. What possible use could a rather expensive iPad have? … except that now I have it, I use it all the time, more so than any other device. Yeah, but apart from the NOTAMs and METARs, banking, emails, text messages, as a secure repository for all my many account logins and passwords, as a camera of remarkably good quality, as a torch, to control the heating at home and on the boat, as an alarm clock, a talking book, a calculator, to pay for stuff via contactless, listening to the radio, playing music, navigating … What did the smartphone ever do for us? I inadvertently missed one thing out - making phone calls!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:12:38 GMT
A major weakness with smartphones is if the screen gets wet you can't use it.
So if you fall in water and need to call 999 it won't do it. Bad weakness there should be a little emergency button on them I feel.
A push button phone would be much more useful in the wet emergency.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:15:13 GMT
A push button phone would be much more useful in the wet emergency. They were actually far more susceptible to water damage. But I have some old phones like a 3210. You can have it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:31:27 GMT
A push button phone would be much more useful in the wet emergency. They were actually far more susceptible to water damage. But I have some old phones like a 3210. You can have it. I know they will get damaged but I bet you could make a quick call first. Even if the phone is dead afterwards at least you might have summoned an ambulance. Smartphone is useless as soon as the screen is wet.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 3, 2021 12:40:35 GMT
They were actually far more susceptible to water damage. But I have some old phones like a 3210. You can have it. I know they will get damaged but I bet you could make a quick call first. Even if the phone is dead afterwards at least you might have summoned an ambulance. Smartphone is useless as soon as the screen is wet. You don’t need the screen to call 999 on an iPhone, you just press the side button 5 times in quick succession. That is, if you have emergency calling set up in Settings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:42:21 GMT
That's good. Maybe there is a similar thing with Android phones.
Very handy feature.
ETA I would never knowingly use an Apple product but occasionally I am able to acknowledge they have some good design features.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 3, 2021 12:46:25 GMT
Shouting loudly Help !!! often works
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:52:50 GMT
They were actually far more susceptible to water damage. But I have some old phones like a 3210. You can have it. I know they will get damaged but I bet you could make a quick call first. Even if the phone is dead afterwards at least you might have summoned an ambulance. Smartphone is useless as soon as the screen is wet. Also I have a remarkably tasteful 3310 in semi-translucent orange with blue highlights and a rubberised layer over the keypad - nice. Perhaps it might become collectible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:54:31 GMT
A major weakness with smartphones is if the screen gets wet you can't use it. So if you fall in water and need to call 999 it won't do it. Bad weakness there should be a little emergency button on them I feel. A push button phone would be much more useful in the wet emergency. Apparently some phones have an SOS panic button mode, by pressing the power button a certain amount of times, or the power button in combination with the volume buttons. ETA Beaten to it by Nick
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