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Post by ormeliteeve on Oct 6, 2021 20:21:53 GMT
Second try lucky.
Ignore the dirt, Iβve not done much cleaning yetβ¦ π¬
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 20:25:37 GMT
That's an interesting bog. As JohnV suggested earlier it seems to be a "dump through" type as you mentioned the foot pedal. That pump is single acting so the flush must be gravity directly into the tank. The bowl itself also acting as the vent to remove air displaced by liquids and solids. Quite a smelly type of toilet once it gets into regular use, assuming it has a holding tank. No U bend. A pretty item to look at.
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Post by kris on Oct 6, 2021 20:25:58 GMT
Second try lucky. Ignore the dirt, Iβve not done much cleaning yetβ¦ π¬ weβll done it usually takes people longer to learn how to post photos, in fact quite a few people never get it. The toilet enthusiasts will be along later. Ah I see one of the forums toilet experts beat me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 21:26:14 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Oct 6, 2021 22:18:39 GMT
Nice pictures .... it looks like you have been lucky and got an Orme that hasn't been buggered about with too #much !!!
It's interesting how the layout isn't much changed in my slightly later model.
You mentioned earlier as regards the differences of equipment compared with the brochure .... everything was subject to the customers choice.
Orme and son were a small familly boatbuilders, building only a small number of high priced top end boats.
Because of this they gave you what you particularly wanted as regards engine make/type heating etc etc. very much custom build.
If you think about it, in 1972 an Ormalite Wanderer complete with it's engine and Vat would cost as much as an average house in the North of England !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 23:59:12 GMT
I can't comment on the lav (I'll leave that to the experts) but the rest looks like it can be scrubbed up. Pic of the engine possible?
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Post by patty on Oct 7, 2021 6:58:01 GMT
That looks an interesting project to work on..please post lots of piccy's(now u know how!) I know nuffin about toilets and I've never seen one quite like that before but the experts on here will keep u right .. Enjoy your boat
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 8:22:22 GMT
I can't help identifying the toilet, though it looks like a nice item. It looks like there is an access panel to the right of the picture (on the floor). I wonder if the tank is accessible beneath.
As for the sea cock, if it hasn't been used for some time, it may well have seized. Try moving it with your hands only at first. I can't see from the photo, but if it is similar to our one, there is a collar that is held on with two bolts. Releasing these slightly takes pressure off the tapered (cone), and may allow it to move more freely. Don't remove the bolts altogether. Also, if it is the same as ours, the lever can be removed, revealing a square that a spanner can be fitted too.
However, I would be very reluctant to do any of these things with any kind of force whilst the boat is afloat. Damaging the seacock could lead to it shearing off. Wooden bungs at the ready..
Finally, I wonder if the seals in the pump have dried out due to lack of use.
ETA. I am sure you have found them already, but Jones boatyard down stream of St Ives town are always very helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 8:29:34 GMT
Going back to the bog it looks like the top part of a sea toilet but someone has done some sort of custom drop-through flap arrangement for it rather than the normal disposal route which normally doesn't go directly downwards.
I wonder if that pedal and flap is a customised setup or if this was a product available in a catalogue at the time.
It's an intriguing solution but surely must be rather smelly.
If there is a holding tank it would seem better to route the waste via a bend of some sort to take out the obvious problem.
Still it is a throne, and a good looking throne, so one can't moan.
I think a picture looking directly down into the bowl would be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 8:37:41 GMT
It almost looks like the whole thing is cast iron rather than the more normal China. I wonder if it is a submarine toilet. Those heavy duty flanges below it seem to me to indicate some sort of Military hardware. Maybe the person who originally ordered the boat was a submariner and had a toilet and wanted it on the boat. Hmm. Too much thinking, again! And a submarine toilet randomly lifted from Google images: Obviously the latter is much more modern but there are some design similarities here I feel.
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Post by ormeliteeve on Oct 7, 2021 9:13:44 GMT
I can't help identifying the toilet, though it looks like a nice item. It looks like there is an access panel to the right of the picture (on the floor). I wonder if the tank is accessible beneath. As for the sea cock, if it hasn't been used for some time, it may well have seized. Try moving it with your hands only at first. I can't see from the photo, but if it is similar to our one, there is a collar that is held on with two bolts. Releasing these slightly takes pressure off the tapered (cone), and may allow it to move more freely. Don't remove the bolts altogether. Also, if it is the same as ours, the lever can be removed, revealing a square that a spanner can be fitted too. However, I would be very reluctant to do any of these things with any kind of force whilst the boat is afloat. Damaging the seacock could lead to it shearing off. Wooden bungs at the ready.. Finally, I wonder if the seals in the pump have dried out due to lack of use. ETA. I am sure you have found them already, but Jones boatyard down stream of St Ives town are always very helpful. I havenβt lifted the access panel yet, the lifter ring is painted shut so I need to remember to take a screwdriver to lever it up. I donβt think thereβs enough space under the toilet to fit a tank, and it isnβt visible from the other side of the engine when I took the engine panel off in the kitchen. But a tank is the only way I can think it must work! As much as I want to keep the boat as original as it currently is, a modification to make the toilet a proper sea toilet might be necessary because in the summer, I imagine the smell of it would be unbearable if it works like we think it does. I managed to free off the sea cock for the wet exhaust with the help of some GT85, although itβs still incredibly tight. The previous owner told me that he never opened the Blakes sea cock, so I suspect it is probably seized. Iβll have a try by hand but like you said, Iβm extremely reluctant to apply too much pressure and shear it off. Jones is good, we use them sometimes. Ely chandlery is now closed down.
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Post by ormeliteeve on Oct 7, 2021 9:15:10 GMT
Going back to the bog it looks like the top part of a sea toilet but someone has done some sort of custom drop-through flap arrangement for it rather than the normal disposal route which normally doesn't go directly downwards. I wonder if that pedal and flap is a customised setup or if this was a product available in a catalogue at the time. It's an intriguing solution but surely must be rather smelly. If there is a holding tank it would seem better to route the waste via a bend of some sort to take out the obvious problem. Still it is a throne, and a good looking throne, so one can't moan. I think a picture looking directly down into the bowl would be interesting.I considered a photo of looking down the pan but I wasnβt sure if that was too much detail! π
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 9:17:48 GMT
I can't help identifying the toilet, though it looks like a nice item. It looks like there is an access panel to the right of the picture (on the floor). I wonder if the tank is accessible beneath. As for the sea cock, if it hasn't been used for some time, it may well have seized. Try moving it with your hands only at first. I can't see from the photo, but if it is similar to our one, there is a collar that is held on with two bolts. Releasing these slightly takes pressure off the tapered (cone), and may allow it to move more freely. Don't remove the bolts altogether. Also, if it is the same as ours, the lever can be removed, revealing a square that a spanner can be fitted too. However, I would be very reluctant to do any of these things with any kind of force whilst the boat is afloat. Damaging the seacock could lead to it shearing off. Wooden bungs at the ready.. Finally, I wonder if the seals in the pump have dried out due to lack of use. ETA. I am sure you have found them already, but Jones boatyard down stream of St Ives town are always very helpful. I havenβt lifted the access panel yet, the lifter ring is painted shut so I need to remember to take a screwdriver to lever it up. I donβt think thereβs enough space under the toilet to fit a tank, and it isnβt visible from the other side of the engine when I took the engine panel off in the kitchen. But a tank is the only way I can think it must work! As much as I want to keep the boat as original as it currently is, a modification to make the toilet a proper sea toilet might be necessary because in the summer, I imagine the smell of it would be unbearable if it works like we think it does. I managed to free off the sea cock for the wet exhaust with the help of some GT85, although itβs still incredibly tight. The previous owner told me that he never opened the Blakes sea cock, so I suspect it is probably seized. Iβll have a try by hand but like you said, Iβm extremely reluctant to apply too much pressure and shear it off. Jones is good, we use them sometimes. Ely chandlery is now closed down. As 'a' above said. A quick look in the bowl while the pedal is pressed will reveal a lot (though,not too much I hope)
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Post by ormeliteeve on Oct 7, 2021 9:25:00 GMT
It almost looks like the whole thing is cast iron rather than the more normal China. I wonder if it is a submarine toilet. Those heavy duty flanges below it seem to me to indicate some sort of Military hardware. Maybe the person who originally ordered the boat was a submariner and had a toilet and wanted it on the boat. Hmm. Too much thinking, again! And a submarine toilet randomly lifted from Google images: Obviously the latter is much more modern but there are some design similarities here I feel. The bowl is definitely china with a regular seat and lid, my photo doesnβt really show the change from metal to porcelain. The submarine loo does have some similarities, especially that metal flange. Iβm going to take that access panel up later and see whatβs underneathβ¦ I tipped a bucket of water down the toilet the other day and it went away. I had someone stand outside and it didnβt come out of the skin fittings, I also lifted all the floor panels and itβs not in the bilge either (thankfully!). My hopes are pinned on an incredibly small, low holding tank under the toilet floor but there are no pump out fittings so I wonder how it would be emptied.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 7, 2021 10:15:23 GMT
I can't remember who the makers were, but I recognize that bog. They were a common fitting in hire boats, and discharged the bowl contents straight through an opening in the hull bottom, . . I've never seen one fitted to a holding tank, and I very much doubt there'll be one in this boat. All OK when newly installed, but depending on the height of the bog relative to the LWL, a potential source of leakage as they got older from wear on the pedal operated dump flap, or from a worn pedal spindle. The most serious risk of severe leakage arises from failure of the holding down through bolts that secure the whole thing in place through wastage, degradation or galvanic action -- depending on the material the bolts used were made from. The back leakage into the bowl via the dump flap can get to be quite serious in unusually rough water -- if the boat is pitching or rolling heavily, causing movement of the dump flap and water to be forced back up into or over the top of the bowl in the event of any debris preventing the flap from closing back onto its seating -- turbulence from filling locks can also occasionally result in some water getting into the boat through being forced back up into the bowl for the same reasons. Part or total failure of the through hull holding down bolts could send your boat to the bottom in a matter of minutes, . . with uncontrollable amounts of water coming in via the hull opening under the bog. I strongly advise arranging for slipping at the earliest possible opportunity to draw, inspect, and renew if necessary, all of those through hull holding down bolts. If the through hull joint is sound and watertight at present, there's no point in disturbing it, . . draw, inspect and replace each bolt singly, working diametrically from one to the next.
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