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Post by kris on Oct 12, 2021 8:06:10 GMT
They have already got the millions they need to fix it. But I’m sure they’ll try and turn it into a charity fund raiser. They’ve also got the hundreds of thousands it would have cost in preventative maintenance, but some manager decided not to spend that. Now they are reaping the rewards of stopping the preventative maintenance program.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 12, 2021 8:06:22 GMT
Is this the same CRT that Kris and others tell me have billions to spare? maybe they can make a couple of executives redundant and that will give them the millions needed to repair this latest breach Twat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 8:09:06 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002. It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog So if i am reading the above correct, the ribble link is closed for winter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 8:31:26 GMT
I thought it was only going to be for three weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 8:35:53 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002. It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog So if i am reading the above correct, the ribble link is closed for winter? Sure is, but as has been established, the facility which has been available since the dawn of time and which opened for the first time in 2000 is illegally closed. Frankly I'd refuse to pay my licence renewal.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 12, 2021 8:46:03 GMT
So if i am reading the above correct, the ribble link is closed for winter? Sure is, but as has been established, the facility which has been available since the dawn of time and which opened for the first time in 2000 is illegally closed. Frankly I'd refuse to pay my licence renewal. was modified
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 9:22:44 GMT
Looking at the video footage, if you're Wigan side of Church, I'd be getting off that canal ... looks a longish job. Rog Agreed. I'm North and East of the breach, almovement suspended. Bunkering for five months. Water level about 18 inch below normal, but the flow has stopped, I'm still afloat.... CRT phoned me yesterday to make sure I was aware, I am aware, CC rules suspended!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 12, 2021 10:42:27 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002.It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog You, in your usual muddled state of ignorance, might be talking about a "canal link", . . but I'm not. I'm talking about a tide gate -- a half tide barrier to be precise -- that C&RT, as did BWB before them, disingenuously refer to as a "sea lock". This half tide gate was constructed in the tidal Savick Brook as part of the creation of the so-called Ribble Link and is wholly under C&RT's control. It is an obstruction to navigation when closed. C&RT's arbitrary unlawful Wintertime closure to navigation of the tidal Savick Brook at the half tide gate, by refusing to operate it to allow navigation as and when required to, is the ONLY factor that 'closes' the 'Ribble Link' for 6 months of the year. The right to navigate anywhere where the tide runs, at any time, is in fact more than simply a public right of navigation, . . it's a right of way that's existed from what is known and recognized as 'time immemorial', generally agreed to date back to the year 1189, and is upheld in common law by the Courts to this day. In other words, C&RT's annual closure of the 'Ribble Link', by way of unlawfully obstructing a public right of way for six months of every year, is quite simply illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 10:55:21 GMT
The Ribble and Liverpool links are both Millenium projects, opened just after 2000 for six months a year, both being closed over winter. C&RT have not decided to close the links in some kind of power grab, they have always been closed over winter ... indeed there are occasions during summer when the links have to be closed due to prevailing conditions, and booked passages are delayed. I have no idea and no interest in navigation and access from the sea ... we are discussing the canal link, Rufford to Lancaster, and the link is closed in winter as it has been since opening in 2002.It also looks like the Leeds & Liverpool East will also now be closed for the winter ... perhaps criticism of C&RT would be better and more accurately focussed on the possible lack of preventative maintenance in relation to culverts, rather than criticising the closure of the Ribble link for the winter. Rog You, in your usual muddled state of ignorance, might be talking about a "canal link", . . but I'm not. I'm talking about a tide gate -- a half tide barrier to be precise -- that C&RT, as did BWB before them, disingenuously refer to as a "sea lock". This half tide gate was constructed in the tidal Savick Brook as part of the creation of the so-called Ribble Link and is wholly under C&RT's control. It is an obstruction to navigation when closed. C&RT's arbitrary unlawful Wintertime closure to navigation of the tidal Savick Brook at the half tide gate, by refusing to operate it to allow navigation as and when required to, is the ONLY factor that 'closes' the 'Ribble Link' for 6 months of the year. The right to navigate anywhere where the tide runs, at any time, is in fact more than simply a public right of navigation, . . it's a right of way that's existed from what is known and recognized as 'time immemorial', generally agreed to date back to the year 1189, and is upheld in common law by the Courts to this day. In other words, C&RT's annual closure of the 'Ribble Link', by way of unlawfully obstructing a public right of way for six months of every year, is quite simply illegal. Maybe you could take them to court to contest it Tony?
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Post by JohnV on Oct 12, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
You, in your usual muddled state of ignorance, might be talking about a "canal link", . . but I'm not. I'm talking about a tide gate -- a half tide barrier to be precise -- that C&RT, as did BWB before them, disingenuously refer to as a "sea lock". This half tide gate was constructed in the tidal Savick Brook as part of the creation of the so-called Ribble Link and is wholly under C&RT's control. It is an obstruction to navigation when closed. C&RT's arbitrary unlawful Wintertime closure to navigation of the tidal Savick Brook at the half tide gate, by refusing to operate it to allow navigation as and when required to, is the ONLY factor that 'closes' the 'Ribble Link' for 6 months of the year. The right to navigate anywhere where the tide runs, at any time, is in fact more than simply a public right of navigation, . . it's a right of way that's existed from what is known and recognized as 'time immemorial', generally agreed to date back to the year 1189, and is upheld in common law by the Courts to this day. In other words, C&RT's annual closure of the 'Ribble Link', by way of unlawfully obstructing a public right of way for six months of every year, is quite simply illegal. Maybe you could take them to court to contest it Tony? I think he is more commenting on the fact that yet again some authority or another is stopping something which until then had been a public right.
There are so many of these things that happen.
It's why rambling groups spend so much time using and recording use of rights of way and forcing landowners who have illegally blocked them to clear the blockages and preventing councils from closing them because of lack of use.
Everywhere you look, wherever there are genuine public rights of access or use, there are always individuals, groups, companies, quangos and the like who will cheerfully remove those rights if it doesn't suit their agenda.
Over the years there have been many things that have quietly disappeared without anybody realising until it was far too late to protest and prevent.
Most won't really affect the lives of the majority, many maybe will not affect anybody ...... but they were still rights that have been stolen from you
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2021 11:19:32 GMT
You, in your usual muddled state of ignorance, might be talking about a "canal link", . . but I'm not. I'm talking about a tide gate -- a half tide barrier to be precise -- that C&RT, as did BWB before them, disingenuously refer to as a "sea lock". This half tide gate was constructed in the tidal Savick Brook as part of the creation of the so-called Ribble Link and is wholly under C&RT's control. It is an obstruction to navigation when closed. C&RT's arbitrary unlawful Wintertime closure to navigation of the tidal Savick Brook at the half tide gate, by refusing to operate it to allow navigation as and when required to, is the ONLY factor that 'closes' the 'Ribble Link' for 6 months of the year. The right to navigate anywhere where the tide runs, at any time, is in fact more than simply a public right of navigation, . . it's a right of way that's existed from what is known and recognized as 'time immemorial', generally agreed to date back to the year 1189, and is upheld in common law by the Courts to this day. In other words, C&RT's annual closure of the 'Ribble Link', by way of unlawfully obstructing a public right of way for six months of every year, is quite simply illegal. Maybe you could take them to court to contest it Tony? But, afaik one has to be personally affected by such a stoppage in order to do that. Need a boat for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 11:21:04 GMT
I know, am just prodding the bees nest.
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2021 11:31:18 GMT
So am I with a feather duster, tickling the bee's knees.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 12, 2021 11:33:11 GMT
You, in your usual muddled state of ignorance, might be talking about a "canal link", . . but I'm not. I'm talking about a tide gate -- a half tide barrier to be precise -- that C&RT, as did BWB before them, disingenuously refer to as a "sea lock". This half tide gate was constructed in the tidal Savick Brook as part of the creation of the so-called Ribble Link and is wholly under C&RT's control. It is an obstruction to navigation when closed. C&RT's arbitrary unlawful Wintertime closure to navigation of the tidal Savick Brook at the half tide gate, by refusing to operate it to allow navigation as and when required to, is the ONLY factor that 'closes' the 'Ribble Link' for 6 months of the year. The right to navigate anywhere where the tide runs, at any time, is in fact more than simply a public right of navigation, . . it's a right of way that's existed from what is known and recognized as 'time immemorial', generally agreed to date back to the year 1189, and is upheld in common law by the Courts to this day. In other words, C&RT's annual closure of the 'Ribble Link', by way of unlawfully obstructing a public right of way for six months of every year, is quite simply illegal. Maybe you could take them to court to contest it Tony? Somebody should ! How about a lot less apathy and a bit more resolve from the people who buy 12-month Pleasure Boat Licences every year in the hope of getting what they pay for ? Boat owners pay for year round access to, and the use of, all the canals and river waterways under C&RT's control, including the Lancaster Canal, and access to it, . . but in practice, actually finish up getting less and less in return for the licence fees they pay. Why is it that, having bought 12-month Licences, some people appear to be quite content for C&RT to illegally deny access for 6 months out of every 12 months to waterways that they haven't yet succeeded in closing down altogether through sheer neglect ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 11:53:04 GMT
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