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Post by patty on Nov 12, 2021 6:13:33 GMT
Glad you are out of the lock... do hope u find someone to tow u take care and please keep us updated.
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2021 7:38:02 GMT
Sorry Kris - I’m going to call that out as a bit of a shit post - Socks has has some decent and prompt advice; other threads are available to jab each other in the kidneys. That’s okay Gazza after Tony’s attitude towards me I don’t really care. Ps There is a good boat yard on the summit pound and they will probably be able to tow the boat. But Dunkley can go and play marbles on the M1 as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2021 7:42:26 GMT
Lower park marina is the boatyard at barnoldswick. Run by a lovely man, who is honest and won’t rip you off unlike some i could mention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 9:01:46 GMT
Earlier I wondered about the possibility of lashing a steering oar to the tiller / swan-neck. I think it will have to be towed, its a long way, and I don't think an oar would be practical or safe, or insured! I've been on to Canal Contracting, which is part of RCR, waiting for a response, I am beside a heavy duty road , it might be private (quarry?), but it looks to be single track. Obviously I want it done in water if possible, it could be a shear bolt, I have no idea, sent an email to Tyler Wilson. Due to so many issues with these canals, last week I thought about RCR, but decided there was not much that might go wrong with the boat itself. I also contemplated giving up as it just seems to be one thing after another.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 9:03:44 GMT
Lower park marina is the boatyard at barnoldswick. Run by a lovely man, who is honest and won’t rip you off unlike some i could mention. Waiting for him to open this a.m., the email I sent was not delivered, not a good start.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 12, 2021 9:04:56 GMT
I'll need to get a boatyard to sort it out, most likely need a tow, there are tunnels ahead, I don't expect a diver can sort it, I ve no idea of the design, it's a Tyler Wilson. I remember phoning him about something when I first got the boat, he doesn't do customer service. If your boat's hull is one of those that Tyler's at Newcastle-under-Lyme build, then I'm pretty sure that it won't have the sort of rudder and stock construction that I described last night -- [ From how you described what happened to the rudder whilst you were rising in the lock, it sounds as if your boat might have a tubular section between the main part of the rudder and the balance, with the rudder stock passing up through the tubular part and locked to it with a bolt. If so, then catching the rudder on the bottom gates as the boat was rising has probably sheared the (locking) bolt.]. As far as I know Tylers go for a more conventional set-up than that, but with the ram's head on a round taper instead of a square one. What stage of penning through the top lock had you got to when you heard the bang ? Do you think it could have been the tiller end catching in the lock chamber wall as the boat moved forward slightly shortly after drawing the top paddles, . . or possibly the bottom gate mitre post catching the tiller end as the gate was being closed ? Either of those two possibilities could have loosened the ram's head from its taper. Can you get some photos of it and post them on here ?
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2021 9:12:06 GMT
Lower park marina is the boatyard at barnoldswick. Run by a lovely man, who is honest and won’t rip you off unlike some i could mention. Waiting for him to open this a.m., the email I sent was not delivered, not a good start. I used to have a phone number, but it’s a few years since I was up that way.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 12, 2021 9:27:13 GMT
I'll need to get a boatyard to sort it out, most likely need a tow, there are tunnels ahead, I don't expect a diver can sort it, I ve no idea of the design, it's a Tyler Wilson. I remember phoning him about something when I first got the boat, he doesn't do customer service. If your boat's hull is one of those that Tyler's at Sheffield build, then I'm pretty sure that it won't have the sort of rudder and stock construction that I described last night -- [ From how you described what happened to the rudder whilst you were rising in the lock, it sounds as if your boat might have a tubular section between the main part of the rudder and the balance, with the rudder stock passing up through the tubular part and locked to it with a bolt. If so, then catching the rudder on the bottom gates as the boat was rising has probably sheared the (locking) bolt.]. As far as I know Tylers go for a more conventional set-up than that, but with the ram's head on a round taper instead of a square one. What stage of penning through the top lock had you got to when you heard the bang ? Do you think it could have been the tiller end catching in the lock chamber wall as the boat moved forward slightly shortly after drawing the top paddles, . . or possibly the bottom gate mitre post catching the tiller end as the gate was being closed ? Either of those two possibilities could have loosened the ram's head from its taper. Can you get some photos of it and post them on here ? I've just spoken with the people who built your hull, and they've confirmed that the ram's head is on a round un-keyed locking taper secured with a single central bolt into the top end of the rudder stock. Provided nothing is damaged or too badly bent, this should be fixable -- well enough to at least get you underway again -- with just a few minutes to re-align the ram's head and rudder and to re-tighten the central bolt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 9:33:13 GMT
I'll need to get a boatyard to sort it out, most likely need a tow, there are tunnels ahead, I don't expect a diver can sort it, I ve no idea of the design, it's a Tyler Wilson. I remember phoning him about something when I first got the boat, he doesn't do customer service. If your boat's hull is one of those that Tyler's at Sheffield build, then I'm pretty sure that it won't have the sort of rudder and stock construction that I described last night -- [ From how you described what happened to the rudder whilst you were rising in the lock, it sounds as if your boat might have a tubular section between the main part of the rudder and the balance, with the rudder stock passing up through the tubular part and locked to it with a bolt. If so, then catching the rudder on the bottom gates as the boat was rising has probably sheared the (locking) bolt.]. As far as I know Tylers go for a more conventional set-up than that, but with the ram's head on a round taper instead of a square one. What stage of penning through the top lock had you got to when you heard the bang ? Do you think it could have been the tiller end catching in the lock chamber wall as the boat moved forward slightly shortly after drawing the top paddles, . . or possibly the bottom gate mitre post catching the tiller end as the gate was being closed ? Either of those two possibilities could have loosened the ram's head from its taper. Can you get some photos of it and post them on here ? OK, so I phoned the marina, and they gave me phone number of The Wonderful Wayne who is coming at 1.00 ish He asked me if there is a bolt on the tiller, no, there is not. He asked if the big massive boss thing, ie the ramshead? will lift, I have pulled it up about two inches, no resistance, and it goes back in place. When I bought the boat, I felt the design allowed the tiller stock to move about, so I had an oval bearing type boss fitted. The stern was against the middle of door of the lock, I don't think the tiller arm caught on anything, it was dark, but the actual top of tiller arm is very short, and there has never been an issue. Early in the day, I had the boat at a diagonal angle, so the stern was not perpendicular to doors, but in this instance it lined up parallel to the lock and went too far back, I realised something was wrong but before I stopped water inflow, It was to late. I was more than half way filling, but instead of waiting for one door paddle on my side to fill the lock, opposite to the boat, I went round and opened both door paddles, and then the side paddle on the boat side, with hindsight, as soon as the boat jammed, I should stop water coming in, but I didn't. I didn't realise what was happening, and was just trying to pull boat forward, with the centre line, away from the doors. When I move the tiller the tiller stock below the ramshead moves but the rudder does not. I am not clear where this balancc is, other than the rudder balance, ie the larger, aft blade trails, but the balance is a short blade forward of the rudder stock. I feel the tiller stock is wiggling quite a bit, but I don't know if it did that before. The wiggling was the reason I had an oval rudder bearing fitted when I bought the boat, I tried to discuss this with TW, I wanted to bring the boat to them, but was dismissed as looney lady, and that was that.
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2021 9:35:15 GMT
Wayne will sort you out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 13:21:22 GMT
Wayne has been, the boat needs to come out. Long term I'll have to get a tow through Foulridge tunnel up to Lower Park Marina (a different Wayne), and wait till they get a crane on site, maybe March 2022. Everywhere else is either closed or unable to access the navigation. Planning to move to CRT Services, try insurance, I've never ever had a claim, so I'm not sure how to phrase it. The water flow pushed the boat back against the door, not sure exactly what happened then, the rudder might have got caught in something, and as the level rose, it sheared the bolt.
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2021 13:26:25 GMT
Skipton has yards that could get you out before. It’s a long tow to skipton though.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 12, 2021 13:40:21 GMT
Wayne has been, the boat needs to come out. I find that rather hard to believe -- in fact, I don't believe it ! Did he explain what he thought was wrong and did he say why he thought it couldn't be fixed on the spot ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 14:16:25 GMT
Skipton has yards that could get you out before. It’s a long tool to skipton though. Not accessible either, see CRT stoppages.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 14:21:13 GMT
Wayne has been, the boat needs to come out. I find that rather hard to believe -- in fact, I don't believe it ! Did he explain what he thought was wrong and did he say why he thought it couldn't be fixed on the spot ? There is no bolt on the ramshead, the shear bolt is down at the rudder, ie underwater. There is no hole in the rudder tab to try to drop it. He was quite optimistic till he saw it. He seems pretty experienced, phoned around to try and get a boatyard, but they are either closed or not accessible due to closures. There may be other damage, ie not just where the tiller stock bolts on to the rudder.... that is my understanding, I did mention getting a diver, but we are in the realms of fantasy 🤔 I suppose you could ask Tyler Wilson, if they could fix it in situ, they might come out if you asked, but I can see the problem, other than having put a tiller bearing on, the set up is as it was when built. The tiller bearing was fixed in situ as far as I remember.
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