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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 18:14:46 GMT
Two words, two statements, two sets of abbreviations.
RA - Risk Assessment
MS - Method Statement
Whether we like it or not, the modern world requires everyone from management down to the guy holding the spanner to be on point and have everyone’s safety as the foremost concern.
We be all know Tony’s ways will work, but as Nick points out it’s highly unlikely anyone bar Tony will put their hand up to working to 50+ year practices
In a world where high vis waistcoats and safety specs are deemed to be the equivalent of batfink and his wings of steel there isn’t likely to be a firm in the country that would consider carrying out a repair afloat
When my dad was in hospital I read some of his journal he kept while at Turbo Techniques in the early 80’s - some of the stunts they got up to beggars belief; I asked him how they got away with it - easy he said - less Emphasis on Health and Safety, a can do attitude to getting the job done and no tossers with camera phones or dash cams to record their transgressions.
No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit.
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Post by thebfg on Nov 21, 2021 2:13:12 GMT
Well sumed up @gazza.
I was going to pop in with similar but wouldn't have been as. Good.
Employers are legally responsible for their employees health and safety and would never entertain asking them to do something they can't control.
An employee is definitely at risk of losing their job of they don't follow correct procedure.
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Post by Jim on Nov 21, 2021 10:02:49 GMT
On the other hand, if @tony dunkley could post a Risk assessment and method statement for his proposed repair method, all would be well. Over to you Unkoo Dunkoo. As a professional, it won't take you long.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 21, 2021 12:24:09 GMT
Two words, two statements, two sets of abbreviations. RA - Risk Assessment MS - Method Statement Whether we like it or not, the modern world requires everyone from management down to the guy holding the spanner to be on point and have everyone’s safety as the foremost concern. We be all know Tony’s ways will work, but as Nick points out it’s highly unlikely anyone bar Tony will put their hand up to working to 50+ year practices In a world where high vis waistcoats and safety specs are deemed to be the equivalent of batfink and his wings of steel there isn’t likely to be a firm in the country that would consider carrying out a repair afloat
When my dad was in hospital I read some of his journal he kept while at Turbo Techniques in the early 80’s - some of the stunts they got up to beggars belief; I asked him how they got away with it - easy he said - less Emphasis on Health and Safety, a can do attitude to getting the job done and no tossers with camera phones or dash cams to record their transgressions. No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit. I'm unsure as to the thinking behind the remarks about ". . . everyone’s safety as the foremost concern" and "No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit."
Does your apparent concern over what you quite wrongly refer to as "Tony's ways" stem from some personal knowledge of or involvement in some incident that went badly wrong and resulted in someone being injured when removing or replacing the rudder of a modern day so-called narrowboat, . . with the boat afloat, but without having "everyone’s safety as the foremost concern", . . or are you simply disparaging a practice that in my personal experience of some 58 years of applying to both commercial and pleasure craft, has NEVER resulted in any kind of mishap or injury ? < thunderboat.boards.net/post/319760/thread > -- As you will see from this link, . . NOT "Tony's ways", but a method for removing and refitting rudders whilst afloat that goes back a lot further than I do ! You will also see from the link in the next post -- replying to Jim -- that there isn't, and never has been, any intention of "carrying out a repair afloat".
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 21, 2021 12:57:43 GMT
On the other hand, if @tony dunkley could post a Risk assessment and method statement for his proposed repair method, all would be well. Over to you Unkoo Dunkoo. As a professional, it won't take you long. < thunderboat.boards.net/post/319825/thread >
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:07:48 GMT
What happens if there is a submerged beer keg where you sit the boat down when draining the pound. And have you informed the CRT that you intend to use lock gear for purposes other than passing through a lock? Mind you I think that Mr Stabby did get a mattress off the prop doing the drained pound thing so maybe it's ok ? And also you say refit the rudder assembly in the same short pound. I think you need to be more accurate and mention that it will be done in the lock and not with the boat on the bottom.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 21, 2021 13:57:41 GMT
What happens if there is a submerged beer keg where you sit the boat down when draining the pound. And have you informed the CRT that you intend to use lock gear for purposes other than passing through a lock? Mind you I think that Mr Stabby did get a mattress off the prop doing the drained pound thing so maybe it's ok ? And also you say refit the rudder assembly in the same short pound. I think you need to be more accurate and mention that it will be done in the lock and not with the boat on the bottom. My knowledge, experience and time are all elements of stock in trade to be sold to paying customers, . . NOT something to be passed on, in detail and FoC, to a collection of ignorant but nonetheless remarkably self-opinionated tosspots on an internet boating forum !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:59:27 GMT
Good luck with that Sir !
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Post by Jim on Nov 21, 2021 17:06:13 GMT
On the other hand, if @tony dunkley could post a Risk assessment and method statement for his proposed repair method, all would be well. Over to you Unkoo Dunkoo. As a professional, it won't take you long. < thunderboat.boards.net/post/319825/thread > Well, that's a start, something of a method statement. Now what about the risk assessment, grade the possible risks from a scratch to a dead un, look at.the likeleyhood of those outcomes and how to ameliorate them. You know, a professional risk assessment. If a simple clown understands it can't be that hard can it.
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Post by kris on Nov 21, 2021 17:37:42 GMT
What happens if there is a submerged beer keg where you sit the boat down when draining the pound. And have you informed the CRT that you intend to use lock gear for purposes other than passing through a lock? Mind you I think that Mr Stabby did get a mattress off the prop doing the drained pound thing so maybe it's ok ? And also you say refit the rudder assembly in the same short pound. I think you need to be more accurate and mention that it will be done in the lock and not with the boat on the bottom. My knowledge, experience and time are all elements of stock in trade to be sold to paying customers, . . NOT something to be passed on, in detail and FoC, to a collection of ignorant but nonetheless remarkably self-opinionated tosspots on an internet boating forum ! So you are using this forum to grub for work?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 18:33:13 GMT
Two words, two statements, two sets of abbreviations. RA - Risk Assessment MS - Method Statement Whether we like it or not, the modern world requires everyone from management down to the guy holding the spanner to be on point and have everyone’s safety as the foremost concern. We be all know Tony’s ways will work, but as Nick points out it’s highly unlikely anyone bar Tony will put their hand up to working to 50+ year practices In a world where high vis waistcoats and safety specs are deemed to be the equivalent of batfink and his wings of steel there isn’t likely to be a firm in the country that would consider carrying out a repair afloat
When my dad was in hospital I read some of his journal he kept while at Turbo Techniques in the early 80’s - some of the stunts they got up to beggars belief; I asked him how they got away with it - easy he said - less Emphasis on Health and Safety, a can do attitude to getting the job done and no tossers with camera phones or dash cams to record their transgressions. No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit. I'm unsure as to the thinking behind the remarks about ". . . everyone’s safety as the foremost concern" and "No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit."
Does your apparent concern over what you quite wrongly refer to as "Tony's ways" stem from some personal knowledge of or involvement in some incident that went badly wrong and resulted in someone being injured when removing or replacing the rudder of a modern day so-called narrowboat, . . with the boat afloat, but without having "everyone’s safety as the foremost concern", . . or are you simply disparaging a practice that in my personal experience of some 58 years of applying to both commercial and pleasure craft, has NEVER resulted in any kind of mishap or injury ? < thunderboat.boards.net/post/319760/thread > -- As you will see from this link, . . NOT "Tony's ways", but a method for removing and refitting rudders whilst afloat that goes back a lot further than I do ! You will also see from the link in the next post -- replying to Jim -- that there isn't, and never has been, any intention of "carrying out a repair afloat". Tony, it’s the way the world is now - it’s how things are in every small, medium and large company up and down the land. I don’t necessarily agree with it but it’s a reality of doing business in the modern world - for better or Ill. Barking at the moon won’t change that - I wish it would sometimes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 18:48:57 GMT
I'm unsure as to the thinking behind the remarks about ". . . everyone’s safety as the foremost concern" and "No one these days ought to set themselves up for a fall recorded by a smartarse with a phone ready to drop them in the shit."
Does your apparent concern over what you quite wrongly refer to as "Tony's ways" stem from some personal knowledge of or involvement in some incident that went badly wrong and resulted in someone being injured when removing or replacing the rudder of a modern day so-called narrowboat, . . with the boat afloat, but without having "everyone’s safety as the foremost concern", . . or are you simply disparaging a practice that in my personal experience of some 58 years of applying to both commercial and pleasure craft, has NEVER resulted in any kind of mishap or injury ? < thunderboat.boards.net/post/319760/thread > -- As you will see from this link, . . NOT "Tony's ways", but a method for removing and refitting rudders whilst afloat that goes back a lot further than I do ! You will also see from the link in the next post -- replying to Jim -- that there isn't, and never has been, any intention of "carrying out a repair afloat". Tony, it’s the way the world is now - it’s how things are in every small, medium and large company up and down the land. I don’t necessarily agree with it but it’s a reality of doing business in the modern world - for better or Ill. Barking at the moon won’t change that - I wish it would sometimes! Being risk adverse is a great strategy for a business to take - the cost of which is ultimately passed on to its customers Wanting to get a job done quickly and efficiently comes way lower done the list I sit in too many meetings where we discuss ins and outs of a Duck’s arse, time that could be put to the job but won’t be for the fear of the remotest chance of blame being laid at someone’s feet. Take away that risk and you take away the tools to do the job as you may like to do it.
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Post by bod on Nov 21, 2021 19:57:09 GMT
What happens if there is a submerged beer keg where you sit the boat down when draining the pound. And have you informed the CRT that you intend to use lock gear for purposes other than passing through a lock? Mind you I think that Mr Stabby did get a mattress off the prop doing the drained pound thing so maybe it's ok ? And also you say refit the rudder assembly in the same short pound. I think you need to be more accurate and mention that it will be done in the lock and not with the boat on the bottom. My knowledge, experience and time are all elements of stock in trade to be sold to paying customers, . . NOT something to be passed on, in detail and FoC, to a collection of ignorant but nonetheless remarkably self-opinionated tosspots on an internet boating forum ! "What do you mean? 20 quid, just to hit it with a hammer!" Ahh, says old Joe, "thats £1 for the hit, £19 for knowing where to hit."
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 21, 2021 19:59:20 GMT
Well, that's a start, something of a method statement. Now what about the risk assessment, grade the possible risks from a scratch to a dead un, look at.the likeleyhood of those outcomes and how to ameliorate them. You know, a professional risk assessment. If a simple clown understands it can't be that hard can it. It wasn't a "start" of anything, . . it was a dismissal of your silly facetious remark from a bit earlier !
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 21, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
My knowledge, experience and time are all elements of stock in trade to be sold to paying customers, . . NOT something to be passed on, in detail and FoC, to a collection of ignorant but nonetheless remarkably self-opinionated tosspots on an internet boating forum ! "What do you mean? 20 quid, just to hit it with a hammer!" Ahh, says old Joe, "thats £1 for the hit, £19 for knowing where to hit."
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Spot on, Bod, . . how did you know that's the charging differential I always work to ?
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