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Post by JohnV on Nov 19, 2021 16:41:23 GMT
I know some of you are interested in some of the works going on in the drydock on the river Hull so I thought I would put up a series of shots of the works underway on an ex shrimper being converted to a liveaboard.
The drydock is doing the steelwork to the customers specification and design.
a complete rebuild, stripping out all the original cabin wheelhouse engine etc and a complete new wheelhouse with full standing height on both deck levels. The customer is a boat fitter and is doing all the other work himself.
preparing to crane off the last section. The engine room top and hatch.
first plates going onto the new cabin frame
windows cut out and waiting for them to be installed. Prop and shaft overhauled and replacement engine into engine room. Hydraulic steering fitted
coming along nicely
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 17:37:31 GMT
I disagree with the cabin shape and height but it will probably look better painted.
Nice dry dock.
I suppose if it's a double decker then it's always going to look a bit dodgy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 18:12:23 GMT
Agree with Andrew, it needs some tumblhome along with some softer angles/radius’s - boats can and do look awful with box shaped superstructures
Near Flat cabin top doesn’t help either.
It will be easy to hang curtains though 😜🤪
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Post by JohnV on Nov 19, 2021 18:40:04 GMT
As I was very careful to point out in the op @gazza The design and specification was by the customer not us.
There is about a 50mm rocker on the cabin roof which should be enough to ensure run off. We wanted to edge the roof with a bead but the customer wishes to do that himself.
It certainly looks better now the window holes are cut and as Andrew says it will look better again when painted.(and when the windows are fitted) but we all have expressed concern about it's stability but it's a deepish draft (about 4 foot)and it is going to be a houseboat rather than a cruising boat. It is also very lightly built (3mm plate) though the frame of box section gives it reasonable strength. The fact that it was only 3mm gave the welders a bit of a headache to avoid distortion but they have certainly managed to keep it straight
but yeah, not my choice either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 19:50:09 GMT
There was a boat on the Thames with a second level a few years ago. It was quite a small broads cruiser about 40ft x 10ft. Well dodgy but they did execute it and it appeared to be in steel. A couple of years afterwards I noticed that the top part had been removed. One wonders if it ended up being blown over in a gale and scaring someone too much. It is usually not in the scope of a marine survey to inspect or test for stability, something which has saved a few surveyors from prosecution over the years. This example springs to mind. Pretty sure the surveyor was ok in that example www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/tv-producer-sues-surveyor-after-her-ps450-000-thames-houseboat-sank-6458477.html |
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Post by faffer on Nov 19, 2021 20:57:04 GMT
hell i want a dry dock at home but T says NO  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 0:13:13 GMT
As I was very careful to point out in the op @gazza The design and specification was by the customer not us. There is about a 50mm rocker on the cabin roof which should be enough to ensure run off. We wanted to edge the roof with a bead but the customer wishes to do that himself. It certainly looks better now the window holes are cut and as Andrew says it will look better again when painted.(and when the windows are fitted) but we all have expressed concern about it's stability but it's a deepish draft (about 4 foot)and it is going to be a houseboat rather than a cruising boat. It is also very lightly built (3mm plate) though the frame of box section gives it reasonable strength. The fact that it was only 3mm gave the welders a bit of a headache to avoid distortion but they have certainly managed to keep it straight but yeah, not my choice either. Sorry john but that is going to look awful. It puts me in mind of the Sheffield boats you see in France 🇫🇷 with the monstrous cabins and wheelhouses simply plonked on top with no consideration to proportion. A very nice boaty shaped hull that has been totally spoilt. (Apologies for my frankness) |
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Post by JohnV on Nov 20, 2021 6:50:29 GMT
As I was very careful to point out in the op @gazza The design and specification was by the customer not us. There is about a 50mm rocker on the cabin roof which should be enough to ensure run off. We wanted to edge the roof with a bead but the customer wishes to do that himself. It certainly looks better now the window holes are cut and as Andrew says it will look better again when painted.(and when the windows are fitted) but we all have expressed concern about it's stability but it's a deepish draft (about 4 foot)and it is going to be a houseboat rather than a cruising boat. It is also very lightly built (3mm plate) though the frame of box section gives it reasonable strength. The fact that it was only 3mm gave the welders a bit of a headache to avoid distortion but they have certainly managed to keep it straight but yeah, not my choice either. A very nice boaty shaped hull that has been totally spoilt. (Apologies for my frankness) no apologies needed .......... It's much the same as our opinion.
It's actually quite an odd hull, very narrow beam for the length. (18.7m x 3.45m) I would have expected a shrimper to be beamier.
Should imagine it would have been quite fast.
Certainly if I had wanted to build a two story boxey houseboat, I would have been looking at the BACAT barge that was in the dock with it and not a hull like that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 7:15:20 GMT
Theres a nice old Dutch shrimper on the Thames at Wraysbury. pretty boat full conversion under the deck.
Looks very tidy like that and it's a very high quality interior.
Nice Derrick crane strong enough to get a large motorcycle onto the deck.
The only weakness as far as I am concerned in that example is that there is no access via the wheelhouse. You go in through a lifting hatch in the deck and a ladder.
Makes for a nice tidy craft but awkward in/out access.
It's much wider more like 5m.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 8:49:22 GMT
There was a boat on the Thames with a second level a few years ago. It was quite a small broads cruiser about 40ft x 10ft. Well dodgy but they did execute it and it appeared to be in steel. A couple of years afterwards I noticed that the top part had been removed. One wonders if it ended up being blown over in a gale and scaring someone too much. It is usually not in the scope of a marine survey to inspect or test for stability, something which has saved a few surveyors from prosecution over the years. This example springs to mind. Pretty sure the surveyor was ok in that example www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/tv-producer-sues-surveyor-after-her-ps450-000-thames-houseboat-sank-6458477.htmlToo much top hamper a good boat does not make |
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Post by cygnus on Nov 20, 2021 10:23:11 GMT
Good set of pictures John, please keep them coming. I always admired Ben Harvey. Aesthetics usually comes with great expense unfortunately.
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Post by cygnus on Nov 20, 2021 11:08:55 GMT
What will the airdraft be John?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 12:36:29 GMT
This is how (IMHO) to to restore an old boat to live on. Unmolested and virtually original in appearance. Vulcan of Goole.  (Not my picture as I appear to have lost the only pictures of my own that I had.) |
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Post by JohnV on Nov 20, 2021 13:43:37 GMT
What will the airdraft be John? Not certain Joe, I think it'll be getting close to 4 metres, the owner is confident it will clear Newark town bridge and I think on that one he's probably right because it's the shape of the arch that limits doesn't it .... Me, I'd be more worried about that one immediately above the lock, if I remember correctly that's the lowest. |
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Post by paulhd on Nov 20, 2021 17:31:01 GMT
Great pictures John and what an interesting job you have👍🏻
All the best,
Paul.
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