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Post by Jim on Dec 8, 2021 13:16:55 GMT
Yet another grovelling apology from our incompetent leader, blaming others for his string of lies about the xmas party at number 10. "there was no party" spouted all week
Doesn't he live at No 10? Now he apologises "for the impression that's been given". He doesn't have the moral authority to lead.
Hands up who voted for them? It confirms what many of us have been saying for months.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 13:40:16 GMT
I didn't vote for him and don't have much time for him but Sir Kneelalot is no better. Where is the opposition to this Covid nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 13:41:09 GMT
He doesn't live at No 10 he lives at No 11, hence the reference to 'I went home' in the video...
The damage done to the public's willingness to follow Covid rules and the consequences of that have been damaged, Boris will never admit that.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 13:54:26 GMT
It confirms what many of us have been saying for months. We need Nigel back?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:20:40 GMT
Well Nigel was a lot better mannered than Tony and really knew his shit when it came to the actual legal requirements of keeping boats on inland waterways. A real thorn in the side of the BW/CRT. ETA As for the jellyfish well his eyes are too dodgy. He's bad news. Seriously bad news. Bad.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 14:26:27 GMT
I don’t have a great deal of respect for Bojo’s integrity, but in this particular case these seem to be the facts:
Rumours, without any evidence, of a party at No. 10 a year ago started circulating recently. For sure Bojo was not present. It seems Bojo enquired of his staff who said there was no party and no rules broken, which he passed on. A video emerged with some rather odd behaviour that might indicate a party really did happen, but certainly not hard proof. Bojo has now announced there is an official investigation into exactly what did happen.
So none of that seems particularly dramatic. What is bad is that rumour and speculation from the press and media has caused a lot of anger and distress especially amongst those people who couldn’t see their loved ones last Christmas and/or those whose loved ones died alone.
So as usual a whole lot of anger and upset generated on the back of some rumours lacking any hard facts. Just like Trump’s claim that the presidential election was rigged and a million other such bits of fake news.
It first needs to be established whether a party flouting the rules did actually take place. If so, the no.10 staff involved need to be subject to disciplinary action. Assuming Bojo definitely wasn’t personally involved and didn’t condone it, I am struggling to see why it might be a resigning matter for him.
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Post by Jim on Dec 8, 2021 14:38:12 GMT
I don’t have a great deal of respect for Bojo’s integrity, but in this particular case these seem to be the facts: Rumours, without any evidence, of a party at No. 10 a year ago started circulating recently. For sure Bojo was not present. It seems Bojo enquired of his staff who said there was no party and no rules broken, which he passed on. A video emerged with some rather odd behaviour that might indicate a party really did happen, but certainly not hard proof. Bojo has now announced there is an official investigation into exactly what did happen. So none of that seems particularly dramatic. What is bad is that rumour and speculation from the press and media has caused a lot of anger and distress especially amongst those people who couldn’t see their loved ones last Christmas and/or those whose loved ones died alone. So as usual a whole lot of anger and upset generated on the back of some rumours lacking any hard facts. Just like Trump’s claim that the presidential election was rigged and a million other such bits of fake news. It first needs to be established whether a party flouting the rules did actually take place. If so, the no.10 staff involved need to be subject to disciplinary action. Assuming Bojo definitely wasn’t personally involved and didn’t condone it, I am struggling to see why it might be a resigning matter for him. There was a party, his staff at No 10 had a party, no 10 is where Boris lives. The press knew there had been a party, somebody had grassed them up but didn't want it known who they were. It's obvious listening to the video there had been a party from the smirking tones and jollity. It's just another string of lies amongst many from Boris.
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Post by haggis on Dec 8, 2021 14:40:38 GMT
I don't think it was rumour and speculation from the press which started last years party questions. I understood that a person or people who had been there told the press about it. But why wait a year? To me it smelled of someone in the no 10 office who was in favour last year and happily went to the party and because they are no longer in favour spilled the beans. To me it was just another instance of Boris being a stranger to the truth which has caused the whole thing to be blown out of proportion
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Post by ianali on Dec 8, 2021 14:47:27 GMT
I didn't vote for him and don't have much time for him but Sir Kneelalot is no better. Where is the opposition to this Covid nonsense? It would appear on the subject of covid that a certain Fox was right. The good thing that comes from Boris’s latest lie, is that it provides me an alternative to telling people to ‘mind their own’ when they ask me why I’m not wearing a mask.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:52:30 GMT
Rumours, without any evidence, of a party at No. 10 a year ago started circulating recently. For sure Bojo was not present. It seems Bojo enquired of his staff who said there was no party and no rules broken, which he passed on. A video emerged with some rather odd behaviour that might indicate a party really did happen, but certainly not hard proof. Bojo has now announced there is an official investigation into exactly what did happen. It was fairly obvious from the last few days that this wasn't going away, No 10 isn't a private house, it is an office covered in cctv cameras (apart from a smallish flat). The idea Boris decided to rely on his staff to supply him with what happened at best shows his naviety.
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Post by Jim on Dec 8, 2021 14:54:03 GMT
There's no opposition from anyone intelligent because covid is real.
Saying no to precautions because numpties didn't take precautions is a daft idea. The Darwin effect will win out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 15:17:56 GMT
There's no opposition from anyone intelligent because covid is real. Saying no to precautions because numpties didn't take precautions is a daft idea. The Darwin effect will win out.It isn't that simple though. Significant amounts of people have a more moderate/challenging/sceptical view of the measures/precautions to slow up covid spread/serious effects of infection, and those who are more in the 'moderate camp' will likely be less 'obedient' to follow the 'rules' as a consequence of the last week shenanigans. Those who choose to ignore the measures/protections are not the only ones put at risk so the Darwin effect might win eventually but not without significant collateral damage. Each time someone from the 'law making society' breaks the laws and acts as it is nothing to worry about, not only makes getting compliance of Covid measures/precautions more difficult but also very slightly undermines our whole trust in democracy/political system. Turning people further to the left or right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 15:27:32 GMT
We are I believe, the sixth wealthiest economy in the world.
Yet we have serious child poverty, homelessness, and social care problems, all of which could be (to a large degree) fixed very speedily.
Instead of effective government and opposition, we endure these media lead squalls that let both government and opposition off the hook.
Should we not be holding the buffoon Boris and his pals to account for their real failings ?
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 15:32:19 GMT
I don’t have a great deal of respect for Bojo’s integrity, but in this particular case these seem to be the facts: Rumours, without any evidence, of a party at No. 10 a year ago started circulating recently. For sure Bojo was not present. It seems Bojo enquired of his staff who said there was no party and no rules broken, which he passed on. A video emerged with some rather odd behaviour that might indicate a party really did happen, but certainly not hard proof. Bojo has now announced there is an official investigation into exactly what did happen. So none of that seems particularly dramatic. What is bad is that rumour and speculation from the press and media has caused a lot of anger and distress especially amongst those people who couldn’t see their loved ones last Christmas and/or those whose loved ones died alone. So as usual a whole lot of anger and upset generated on the back of some rumours lacking any hard facts. Just like Trump’s claim that the presidential election was rigged and a million other such bits of fake news. It first needs to be established whether a party flouting the rules did actually take place. If so, the no.10 staff involved need to be subject to disciplinary action. Assuming Bojo definitely wasn’t personally involved and didn’t condone it, I am struggling to see why it might be a resigning matter for him. There was a party, his staff at No 10 had a party, no 10 is where Boris lives. The press knew there had been a party, somebody had grassed them up but didn't want it known who they were. It's obvious listening to the video there had been a party from the smirking tones and jollity. It's just another string of lies amongst many from Boris. No. 10 is a large building routinely (even in lockdown) with a significant number of staff. It is mostly government offices. Above the government offices is Bojo and Queen Carrie’s personal flat, where he lives. I don’t think the accusations are that there was a party in his flat, it is that there was a party in the government offices below. The accusation is that civil servants held a party in his absence in the government buildings. I am struggling to see how he can be held responsible for that. Let’s say it was a regular business, the boss creates rules about “no parties or other social gatherings”. The boss is away for a few days, during which time the workers disobey him and have a party. Would you think that the boss was responsible for his workers’ wrongdoing? I would say the video points to there having been a party, but it’s not hard evidence and it’s not “obvious” although I might give you “likely”. A lie is something you say which is not true and you know it to be not true. If bojo’s staff have denied having a party and he has repeated what they have said, that is not a lie until he knows it wasn’t true. An investigation is happening after which he and we will know whether what he said was true or not.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 15:36:42 GMT
I don't think it was rumour and speculation from the press which started last years party questions. I understood that a person or people who had been there told the press about it. But why wait a year? To me it smelled of someone in the no 10 office who was in favour last year and happily went to the party and because they are no longer in favour spilled the beans. To me it was just another instance of Boris being a stranger to the truth which has caused the whole thing to be blown out of proportion No the press and media didn’t start it, but they latched onto it and massively amplified it. “It”, as you say, probably being mostly sour grapes. I can sort of see the scene, a bunch of civil servants who work together in a suite of offices, decide to have a drink together, since they all work together anyway. Normally it would be coffee but in this instance someone got some wine in and someone else brought some cheese in. Maybe someone had suggested Secret Santa (which as far as I can tell broke no rules). And suddenly you can call that a party if you want to stir it, whereas before you would have called it a coffee break.
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