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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 19:10:03 GMT
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Well no, I’d say there are none so blind as those who had their eyes poked out with Foxy’s red hot mooring stakes.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 19:11:25 GMT
There are none so blind as those who will not see. And... "It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled". (Attributed, though unproven, to Mark Twain although is is on record as having written "How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again!".
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 19:18:17 GMT
Right, so when you said "at least 3", what you really meant was "at least 45" but you felt that stating the true figure would weaken your argument. But with your immediate and extended family, and Jeff's immediate and extended family, the other moorers at the marina and everyone else you know, you probably meant "several hundred". And none of them have died of Covid. Well, that's good. No-one I know has died of Covid either. I’m never quite sure whether you really are a covid denier or whether you just like the attention, but if the former I am wasting my time with rational argument, I might as well be arguing with an Islamic extremist who is about to blow people up by informing him that his god doesn’t exist and he isn’t about to go to heaven with all those virgins. This is a complete non-sequitur. I am a Covid denier, same as I am a God denier. I will believe in something for which there is evidence sufficient to constitute proof. You are the blind adherent here. You are the one who has "faith" in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:18:37 GMT
I recently heard of a woman I once met briefly dying "of covid". She was a boatyard owner, her "office" was a hovel that stank of rotting wet dogs and she was a chain smoker and about 75 years old.
And she died.
For some unknown reason I did not find this enormously surprising. What I did find surprising was that she had survived so bloody long !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:19:44 GMT
Believes no evidence of Covid = loony.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:21:12 GMT
if the former I am wasting my time with rational argument, I might as well be arguing with an Islamic extremist who is about to blow people up by informing him that his god doesn’t exist and he isn’t about to go to heaven with all those virgins. Your and their thought processes - firm belief arising from indoctrination, without any factual evidence - are identical. Oh dear.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 19:22:15 GMT
I recently heard of a woman I once met briefly dying "of covid". Actually, the State catchphrase is "Where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate". As in "Was run over by a bus on way back from positive Covid test".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:23:10 GMT
if the former I am wasting my time with rational argument, I might as well be arguing with an Islamic extremist who is about to blow people up by informing him that his god doesn’t exist and he isn’t about to go to heaven with all those virgins. Your and their thought processes - firm belief arising from indoctrination, without any factual evidence - are identical. Oh dear. ETA Now We Are Getting Somewhere ! Sorry to mess about with quotes it was not intentional. The fact that you Telemachus have aligned this whole thing with religious fundamentalist beliefs indicates a hook line and sinker situation and any further comment from you will not be made from an open minded position. It's really bad shit to compare those two, really bad. Bad as in not good. Don't do that
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2021 19:23:48 GMT
Believes no evidence of Covid = loony. I believe you are the member who has admitted to a long history of mental health issues?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:25:31 GMT
Believes no evidence of Covid = loony. I believe you are the member who has admitted to a long history of mental health issues? Thankfully I recovered after treatment!
Over to you...
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2021 19:28:49 GMT
Anyway it’s only a matter of time before boris fucks up badly and has to resign.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:36:36 GMT
Anyway it’s only a matter of time before boris fucks up badly and has to resign. I wonder if there is a grassy knoll somewhere in all this.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 19:37:31 GMT
I recently heard of a woman I once met briefly dying "of covid". Actually, the State catchphrase is "Where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate". As in "Was run over by a bus on way back from positive Covid test". This is a valid point. For a while it was a reasonable metric to use when excess deaths were very high, nearly everyone dying with covid died from covid. But now excess deaths are fairly low, as you say someone dying of something unrelated to covid, who happened to have had a positive test within the past 28 days, should not be part of the statistic. That said I think one of the points is that people dying with covid die for complex reasons, non-covid factors exacerbated by covid. So did they die with covid or die from it? I suppose the question is was their death significantly hastened by covid, would they still be alive if they hadn’t contracted it? That is quite a hard thing to define.
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Post by kris on Dec 8, 2021 19:39:24 GMT
Anyway it’s only a matter of time before boris fucks up badly and has to resign. I wonder if there is a grassy knoll somewhere in all this. far to dramatic, boris is more of a damp squib.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2021 19:42:00 GMT
I’m never quite sure whether you really are a covid denier or whether you just like the attention, but if the former I am wasting my time with rational argument, I might as well be arguing with an Islamic extremist who is about to blow people up by informing him that his god doesn’t exist and he isn’t about to go to heaven with all those virgins. This is a complete non-sequitur. I am a Covid denier, same as I am a God denier. I will believe in something for which there is evidence sufficient to constitute proof. You are the blind adherent here. You are the one who has "faith" in the absence of any evidence whatsoever. You lead a fairly solitary life, you have a fairly solitary job, you don’t get around people much. Therefore it can’t be too surprising that you have no direct experience of covid. Whereas I have a number of medical friends and Jeff has more, and they have all seen covid patients, many have seen them die of it and it’s been pretty gruelling for them. Just because you haven’t personally seen anyone with covid is purely a consequence of you lifestyle. But to claim that because you haven’t seen covid and therefore it’s all fake, in the face of evidence from the rest of the world and from people who have been struggling with it and with helping people with it, is obscene.
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