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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2022 8:33:15 GMT
2020 the excess death figures for the Uk (reference the preceding 5 years) was about 16% higher2021 the figures are still provisional but are 19% higher
That graph has been carefully prepared to minimise the increase in deaths the last two years ........ especially designed to fool the hard of thinking and those who won't do their own research
Of course if you wish to reverse all the medical improvements that have been made in the last 80 years and go back to dying of common ailments .......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 9:18:14 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2022 9:36:34 GMT
It was his opinion
Just because he is a doctor and believes he is correct doesn't mean that he is ...... it's a view.
However it does not align with the views of the majority of health professionals.
I fail to see why you are trying to make a big thing about someone disagreeing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 9:38:38 GMT
It was his opinion
Just because he is a doctor and believes he is correct doesn't mean that he is ...... it's a view.
However it does not align with the views of the majority of health professionals.
I fail to see why you are trying to make a big thing about someone disagreeing.
ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ Sooooo funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 9:52:55 GMT
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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2022 9:53:56 GMT
It was his opinion
Just because he is a doctor and believes he is correct doesn't mean that he is ...... it's a view.
However it does not align with the views of the majority of health professionals.
I fail to see why you are trying to make a big thing about someone disagreeing.
ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ Sooooo funny. yes you are
With Omicron the consensus of medical experts may well change, as they seem to believe that we are all going to catch Covid and if you are going to catch it this type is by far and away the best one so far.
The problem might be if too many catch it at once and are all off sick at the same time, it is more manageable if we don't all catch it at once. (not just doctors/health workers)
Something you (and some others on here) seem to fail to grasp is that this pandemic is a fluid situation, the response to Covid depends on what new strains appear and how transmissable/dangerous they are.
The reason for discussion over Omicron is because the next mutation might be one that is even more transmissable than Omicron and more deadly or on the other hand it might be even milder
At the moment you pays you money and takes your chance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 9:57:19 GMT
ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ππ€£ Sooooo funny. yes you are
With Omicron the consensus of medical experts may well change, as they seem to believe that we are all going to catch Covid and if you are going to catch it this type is by far and away the best one so far.
The problem might be if too many catch it at once and are all off sick at the same time, it is more manageable if we don't all catch it at once. (not just doctors/health workers)
Something you (and some others on here) seem to fail to grasp is that this pandemic is a fluid situation, the response to Covid depends on what new strains appear and how transmissable/dangerous they are.
The reason for discussion over Omicron is because the next mutation might be one that is even more transmissable than Omicron and more deadly or on the other hand it might be even milder
At the moment you pays you money and takes your chance
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Post by ianali on Jan 8, 2022 10:17:30 GMT
It was his opinion
Just because he is a doctor and believes he is correct doesn't mean that he isΒ ...... it's a view.
However it does not align with the views of the majority of health professionals.
I fail to see why you are trying to make a big thing about someone disagreeing.
A good friend of ours is a doctor. Currently working in a hospital in London. A couple of days prior to Christmas he attended a party, held at a London club. He was in the company of around 2,000 other doctors and nurses. Most were drinking, dancing and generally partying. Not a mask to be seen. I have no problem with this, but do you not see that this shows how seriously that medical people are taking this virus? Iβm all for the initial round of jabs, but now we have had them itβs time to get on with living.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2022 10:23:40 GMT
It was his opinion
Just because he is a doctor and believes he is correct doesn't mean that he is ...... it's a view.
However it does not align with the views of the majority of health professionals.
I fail to see why you are trying to make a big thing about someone disagreeing.
A good friend of ours is a doctor. Currently working in a hospital in London. A couple of days prior to Christmas he attended a party, held at a London club. He was in the company of around 2,000 other doctors and nurses. Most were drinking, dancing and generally partying. Not a mask to be seen. I have no problem with this, but do you not see that this shows how seriously that medical people are taking this virus? Iβm all for the initial round of jabs, but now we have had them itβs time to get on with living. if you look at the post of mine following the one you quote, you will see there isn't a tremendous variance in our view
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Post by ianali on Jan 8, 2022 10:35:49 GMT
A good friend of ours is a doctor. Currently working in a hospital in London. A couple of days prior to Christmas he attended a party, held at a London club. He was in the company of around 2,000 other doctors and nurses. Most were drinking, dancing and generally partying. Not a mask to be seen. I have no problem with this, but do you not see that this shows how seriously that medical people are taking this virus? Iβm all for the initial round of jabs, but now we have had them itβs time to get on with living. if you look at the post of mine following the one you quote, you will see there isn't a tremendous variance in our view Thatβs good. Iβve mistakenly taken you for one of the βmust wear masksβ and stay away from people types that preach to me regularly. I should add that our doctor friend, along with quite a few others caught covid19 at this party. Make of that as you will.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 10:37:15 GMT
Early on in this story there were quite a lot of pretty mad stories coming out of places like China. These early stories must have had an impact on people. Even medical professionals are actually only people at the end of the day and could be subject to manipulation by media.
People were talking about "if it comes here then we will hide under the ground with mountains of pasta" etc.
We were all told initially how everyone would have dead family members because of this killer disease.
What actually happened was a massive overreaction to a respiratory disease which while being worse than most was never actually going to kill all that many people.
It's a bit of a strange situation.
Those early stories were quite scary but for a start China is a completely different country to here where the life of citizens is in no way comparable to here and also it probably is more or less impossible to verify anything as media is so tightly controlled.
The real pandemic here is the media. Media control is incredibly powerful. More powerful than a lot of people realise.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 8, 2022 10:49:48 GMT
The real pandemic here is the media. Media control is incredibly powerful. More powerful than a lot of people realise. As I've said before, if it wasn't for the media no-one would even know there was a "pandemic". Posters here sneer at what others read on social media, but all "social media" means is "What ordinary people are saying". It is indeed amazing how malleable people become if you expose them to manufactured fear and then offer to lead them to safety. It seems that many people do not like to form their own opinions and feel more secure if decisions are taken for them to blindly follow.
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Post by kris on Jan 8, 2022 11:00:48 GMT
The real pandemic here is the media. Media control is incredibly powerful. More powerful than a lot of people realise. As I've said before, if it wasn't for the media no-one would even know there was a "pandemic". Posters here sneer at what others read on social media, but all "social media" means is "What ordinary people are saying".Β It is indeed amazing how malleable people become if you expose them to manufactured fear and then offer to lead them to safety. It seems that many people do not like to form their own opinions and feel more secure if decisions are taken for them to blindly follow. Sadly this seems to be true. Most people seem to be happy to trade their freedom for a false sense of security.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2022 11:04:46 GMT
if you look at the post of mine following the one you quote, you will see there isn't a tremendous variance in our view Thatβs good. Iβve mistakenly taken you for one of the βmust wear masksβ and stay away from people types that preach to me regularly. I should add that our doctor friend, along with quite a few others caught covid19 at this party. Make of that as you will. I have always tried to follow the best scientific advice I could find, preferably from scientific papers that were not so esoteric as to be above my pay grade
I also found a couple of people who explained the various papers that were beyond me in a simple and (I believe unbiased way) and also linked to them so I could look myself
(one of those was Dr John Campbell, a video by him about Omicron that both Peterboat and I put up yesterday (?) )
It just winds me up when people put up exagerated posts
( one I was reading the other day, not on here, was someone saying it's just flu like 1918 similar death toll vaccines don't work ...... actually 1918 was about 240k this one about 150k but when you factor in the increase in population it's the equivalent of over half a million today)
I believe in being reasonably careful because my age/previous heart problems etc would make the outcome likely to be worse than for instance if I was 30 years younger and fit.
However I have certainly not locked myself away.
I isolated during the first lockdown and asessed the situation and looked up the information as it came in and then acted accordingly
I have no intention of just existing for years ..... I don't have sufficient years left, I can't wait and do things another year ..... I might not get one
I have worked at the drydock and on barges without masking up (and in a barge wheelbox staying 2 metres apart would have you ballancing on the rail)
Do I put a mask on when shopping ? Yes it's the regulation. When it was optional did I ? yes, when it was very crowded.
so no, I'm not scared of Covid, something is going to get me sooner or later (but gasping for breath till you die is a particularly undesirable way to go as it was with previous variants)
but I also am not going to go and look for that old bugger with the scythe
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 11:05:51 GMT
The real pandemic here is the media. Media control is incredibly powerful. More powerful than a lot of people realise. As I've said before, if it wasn't for the media no-one would even know there was a "pandemic". Posters here sneer at what others read on social media, but all "social media" means is "What ordinary people are saying".Β It is indeed amazing how malleable people become if you expose them to manufactured fear and then offer to lead them to safety. It seems that many people do not like to form their own opinions and feel more secure if decisions are taken for them to blindly follow. It is odd. Another thing I find slightly distasteful in all of this is that the country has been run by unelected people. Follow the science. Nobody ever voted for these people. This seems to be an interesting ongoing theme. The illusion of having a democratic choice but it's just that. An illusion. So many prime ministers recently have started their terms as a default replacement rather than being voted in. It seems wrong.
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