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Post by peterboat on Jun 21, 2022 14:01:19 GMT
Yesterday I was approaching kilnhurst flood lock and the mooring on the top side of the lock when my steering wheel just started to spin with no resistance. More by luck than judgement I managed to moor, on investigation it looked like the seals had failed annoying because it's no done much work, I removed the ram and fitted the emergency tiller. Whilst this was all happening 2 boats came through the lock the first the steerer was waving his fist at me and the lady was a bit abusive not listening to my reply, ok she had to jump down onto her boat but that's normal for this lock. The second boat asked what the problem was and could they help? They also told me that the first boat had closed the lock in their face!!!
It turns out that the cylinder had cracked! Typical vetus rubbish it seems, it's going to be sleeved and resealed so all is well apart from using the tiller it's not the same as the wheel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 14:52:55 GMT
As a young fella said to me at a lock this morning, some folks are only happy when ranting, whatever the reason ... too nice a day for that malarkey 🌞
Glad you got fixed up 👍
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 14:54:27 GMT
It's quite a large boat to helm with emergency tiller.
I've offloaded the barge onto some unsuspecting victim now but did do a few hundred hours cruising on it. During which time it was pleasant that the hydraulic steering remained in working condition.
Usually it's pipework problems. Ram failure is a bit naff !
Was there not a prv in the circuit? Sounds like an overload. The pipework must be very good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 17:12:07 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Jun 21, 2022 17:30:03 GMT
It's quite a large boat to helm with emergency tiller. I've offloaded the barge onto some unsuspecting victim now but did do a few hundred hours cruising on it. During which time it was pleasant that the hydraulic steering remained in working condition. Usually it's pipework problems. Ram failure is a bit naff ! Was there not a prv in the circuit? Sounds like an overload. The pipework must be very good. I suspect the ram had a hairline fracture in it from when it was cast, as Julian said Vetus says it all, high price for stuff made in China. Mind my old Vetus genny was made in Japan and over here, but thats an old bit of kit |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2022 17:34:05 GMT
It's quite a large boat to helm with emergency tiller. and : - The pipework must be very good. Leeds & Liverpool boats, long or short, were invariably tiller steered from new, . . . and they were beamier than Peter's, . . so were Trent size and Dukers dumbs, Calder & Hebble size boats, and a lot of Sheffield size too. As for the quality of the pipework, . . standing up to the same working conditions that bring about failures of Vetus's crap equipment is NO recommendation regarding the quality of anything ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 17:36:42 GMT
It's quite a large boat to helm with emergency tiller. and : - The pipework must be very good. Leeds & Liverpool boats, long or short, were invariably tiller steered from new, . . . and they were beamier than Peter's. As for the quality of the pipework, . . standing up to the same working conditions that bring about failures of Vetus's crap equipment is NO recommendation regarding the quality of anything ! I know about the L&L boats but my comment was about boats with hydraulic steering arrangements which usually have a tiller as an emergency backup. In these cases steering with the tiller is likely to not be ideal. Apart from anything else it often removes the operator from immediate contact with the engine and gearbox controls. But you knew that |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2022 17:46:56 GMT
Leeds & Liverpool boats, long or short, were invariably tiller steered from new, . . . and they were beamier than Peter's. As for the quality of the pipework, . . standing up to the same working conditions that bring about failures of Vetus's crap equipment is NO recommendation regarding the quality of anything ! In these cases steering with the tiller is likely to not be ideal. Apart from anything else it often removes the operator from immediate contact with the engine and gearbox controls. So what, . . steering a Trent size, or Dukers dumbboat, you were the boat's length plus at least another boat and a half's length of Bassy rope and a wire from the tug's engine controls. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 21, 2022 18:07:46 GMT
Try taking it apart and putting it on the stern deck for three weeks and see if that does anything.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2022 18:19:01 GMT
Try taking it apart and putting it on the stern deck for three weeks and see if that does anything. There really isn't any need for you to keep demonstrating just how stupid and dishonest you are. Your credentials as a mindless idiot are already more than adequately established. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 21, 2022 18:27:52 GMT
Try taking it apart and putting it on the stern deck for three weeks and see if that does anything. There really isn't any need for you to keep demonstrating just how stupid and dishonest you are. Your credentials as a mindless idiot are already more than adequately established. The parable of the pot and kettle springs to mind here. |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2022 18:41:04 GMT
There really isn't any need for you to keep demonstrating just how stupid and dishonest you are. Your credentials as a mindless idiot are already more than adequately established. The parable of the pot and kettle springs to mind here. What actually springs to mind is the fact that it was YOU who helped Ricco to to take his engine out of his boat and then left it standing on his aft deck for several weeks. A pointless exercise - due to the necessary parts/gaskets not being immediately available at the time - that Ricco went along with on your advice. |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 21, 2022 18:45:40 GMT
The parable of the pot and kettle springs to mind here. What actually springs to mind is the fact that it was YOU who helped Ricco to to take his engine out of his boat and then left it standing on his aft deck for several weeks. A pointless exercise - due to the necessary parts/gaskets not being immediately available at the time - that Ricco went along with on your advice. No, I helped him bow haul his boat down to Kings Lock marina which had it running and had him on his way two days later after he had spent so long listening to your empty promises, prevarications and transparent fuckwittery that he got an overstay notice. |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 21, 2022 18:55:40 GMT
What actually springs to mind is the fact that it was YOU who helped Ricco to to take his engine out of his boat and then left it standing on his aft deck for several weeks. A pointless exercise - due to the necessary parts/gaskets not being immediately available at the time - that Ricco went along with on your advice. No, I helped him bow haul his boat down to Kings Lock marina which had it running and had him on his way two days later after he had spent so long listening to your empty promises, prevarications and transparent fuckwittery that he got an overstay notice. Complete and utter nonsense --- as evidenced by what YOU posted on the internet at the time. There's no point in you deleting it, by the way, . . it was saved and copied to file long ago. Quote -- (2 September 2017) "Had two days off in Middlewich, helped Ricco to get his engine out . . ." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:39:23 GMT
In these cases steering with the tiller is likely to not be ideal. Apart from anything else it often removes the operator from immediate contact with the engine and gearbox controls. So what, . . steering a Trent size, or Dukers dumbboat, you were the boat's length plus at least another boat and a half's length of Bassy rope and a wire from the tug's engine controls. Fair point however in the situation you describe the vessel steerer/helm/person is accustomed to this mode of control. If you arrr accustomed to a morse control being beside you the behaviour will be different. Obviously as you are a bit of a dinosaur the old school methods will be fine but for a lot of people living in the modern age it is quite normal to be in close proximity to a remote control "morse type" system which generally combines engine speed control with gearbox functions into one handy lever. I know it not ideal but we have what we have. Some boat engines arrr even controlled with electrical signals these days. Fingers crossed it doesn't fail. |
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