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Post by on Nov 24, 2022 15:10:40 GMT
Isn't he just saying that CBS is a broker and do not own the boat. Vendor, broker, buyer. 3 parties to a transaction.
No, . . look at the sentence quoted from the advert - " We are selling this boat for a third party . . ". The wording used specifically excludes Clarke and CBS from being the 3rd party, . . which would normally be the broker.
Also bear in mind the value of the craft in question. I don't know but its possible the two L&L boats were owned by the same person, it could be an estate sale. CRT did remove them on S8 but it is unlikely that their costs were anywhere near the value of the boats.
It seems likely that the actual owner/estate will end up with the majority of the money generated by the sale.
Perhaps this is what is meant by 3rd party.
In the case of your boat the value at resale was not going to exceed the costs all that much so from your point of view the CRT stole the boat but that won't be the case with vessels worth tens of thousands of pounds.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 24, 2022 15:11:27 GMT
No, . . look at the sentence quoted from the advert - " We are selling this boat for a third party . . ". The wording specifically excludes Clarke and CBS from being the 3rd party. Good luck with that, when you get it to court. Perhaps I should have said "asking for my mate and legal advisor Tony Dunkley". I wonder what the response would have been? With no equitable interest in either vessel, no right of audience in any UK Court, and not being authorised to conduct litigation on others behalf, . . there's nothing I can do regarding getting this 'to Court'. That's down to the rightful owners of the fraudulently seized vessels, . . or their legal representatives. Now that CBS are actively attempting to sell both of these unlawfully seized Shortboats, . . contacting the owners has become a matter of some urgency.
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Post by Jim on Nov 24, 2022 15:14:50 GMT
Good luck with that, when you get it to court. Perhaps I should have said "asking for my mate and legal advisor Tony Dunkley". I wonder what the response would have been? With no equitable interest in either vessel, no right of audience in any UK Court, and not being authorised to conduct litigation on others behalf, . . there's nothing I can do regarding getting this 'to Court'. That's down to the rightful owners of the fraudulently seized vessels, . . or their legal representatives. Now that CBS are actively attempting to sell both of these unlawfully seized Shortboats, . . contacting the owners has become a matter of some urgency. The issue was pointed out about 3 weeks ago, strangely nothing has matured into action.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 24, 2022 15:17:06 GMT
No, . . look at the sentence quoted from the advert - " We are selling this boat for a third party . . ". The wording used specifically excludes Clarke and CBS from being the 3rd party, . . which would normally be the broker.
Also bear in mind the value of the craft in question. I don't know but its possible the two L&L boats were owned by the same person, it could be an estate sale. CRT did remove them on S8 but it is unlikely that their costs were anywhere near the value of the boats.
It seems likely that the actual owner/estate will end up with the majority of the money generated by the sale.
Perhaps this is what is meant by 3rd party.
In the case of your boat the value at resale was not going to exceed the costs all that much so from your point of view the CRT stole the boat but that won't be the case with vessels worth tens of thousands of pounds.
Utter rubbish, . . the legality of any given action is NOT dependent on the value of the subject of the action.
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Post by on Nov 24, 2022 15:43:09 GMT
Tony
Why do you think that the owner is unaware of the situation?
Why would contacting them be a matter of urgency?
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 24, 2022 16:01:04 GMT
Tony Why do you think that the owner is unaware of the situation? Why would contacting them be a matter of urgency? Because the owners may well have accepted and believed all the lies and garbage they will have been fed by C&RT regarding the seizure and removal from the canal of both the boats. If they have, . . then they've probably resigned themselves to having their property disposed of - fraudulently - by Deards, Clarke and co. in the mistaken belief that the whole process is lawfully founded on S.8 of the 1983 Act.
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Post by Jim on Nov 24, 2022 16:43:57 GMT
Tony Why do you think that the owner is unaware of the situation? Why would contacting them be a matter of urgency? TonyDunkley needs time to go in the phone box and change. Superdunk saves the day. One problem, guess who holds the kryptonite crystal?
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Post by kris on Nov 24, 2022 19:05:48 GMT
They seem over priced.
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Post by on Nov 24, 2022 20:00:37 GMT
They are. I did wonder if the reason for this was that the owner (or estate of owner) knows about what is happening and has some legal assistance ensuring market value is achieved.
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Post by kris on Nov 24, 2022 21:04:09 GMT
They are. I did wonder if the reason for this was that the owner (or estate of owner) knows about what is happening and has some legal assistance ensuring market value is achieved. I would have thought it’s Tony’s friends maximising profit. It will result in them not getting bought and sitting in a field rotting away.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 25, 2022 6:21:31 GMT
Quoted from Criminal Boat Services' adverts for both craft:- "We are selling this boat for a third party and as such we cannot give any details on the condition or history."That wasn't very clever of you, . . was it, Mr Clarke. If, as you have admitted, C&RT are the 3rd party to the sale, . . who are the 1st and 2nd parties, . . in respect of both vessels ? The above quoted sentence from your advert indicates clearly that neither you, nor your company are either 1st, 2nd or 3rd party to the sale(s), . . so where does that leave you, . . . as the 4th party, . . and therefore obliged to admit to being the 'handler' of stolen goods ? and :-No, . . look at the sentence quoted from the advert - "We are selling this boat for a third party . . ". The wording used specifically excludes Clarke and CBS from being the 3rd party, . . which, in a genuine legitimate sale conducted by honest people, would normally be the broker. Have any of the forum dimwits managed to get their thick heads round this tricky conundrum with which Brian 'Fingers' Clarke has thoughtlessly and foolishly encumbered himself yet ? Is there anyone bright enough, and with a sufficiently good grasp of written English, to have worked out the implications, . . or the conclusions that can be drawn from the careless wording of the CBS sale advert. The truth is that neither Brian Clarke, Criminal Boat Services, the C&RT's dishonest management, nor its corrupt lawyers have any lawful authority or entitlement to be selling either of these unlawfully seized craft, . . Mersey or Wye.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 25, 2022 6:37:40 GMT
Quoted from Criminal Boat Services' adverts for both craft:- "We are selling this boat for a third party and as such we cannot give any details on the condition or history."That wasn't very clever of you, . . was it, Mr Clarke. If, as you have admitted, C&RT are the 3rd party to the sale, . . who are the 1st and 2nd parties, . . in respect of both vessels ? The above quoted sentence from your advert indicates clearly that neither you, nor your company are either 1st, 2nd or 3rd party to the sale(s), . . so where does that leave you, . . . as the 4th party, . . and therefore obliged to admit to being the 'handler' of stolen goods ? and :-No, . . look at the sentence quoted from the advert - "We are selling this boat for a third party . . ". The wording used specifically excludes Clarke and CBS from being the 3rd party, . . which, in a genuine legitimate sale conducted by honest people, would normally be the broker. Have any of the forum dimwits managed to get their thick heads round this tricky conundrum with which Brian 'Fingers' Clarke has thoughtlessly and foolishly encumbered himself yet ? Is there anyone bright enough, and with a sufficiently good grasp of written English, to have worked out the implications, . . or the conclusions that can be drawn from the careless wording of the CBS sale advert. The truth is that neither Brian Clarke, Criminal Boat Services, the C&RT's dishonest management, nor its corrupt lawyers have any lawful authority or entitlement to be selling either of these unlawfully seized craft, . . Mersey or Wye. No. The best thing you could do is fuck off somewhere else where you might find a more receptive audience, because nobody here gives a fuck about any of your bullshit.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Nov 25, 2022 7:10:08 GMT
Have any of the forum dimwits managed to get their thick heads round this tricky conundrum with which Brian 'Fingers' Clarke has thoughtlessly and foolishly encumbered himself yet ? Is there anyone bright enough, and with a sufficiently good grasp of written English, to have worked out the implications, . . or the conclusions that can be drawn from the careless wording of the CBS sale advert. The truth is that neither Brian Clarke, Criminal Boat Services, the C&RT's dishonest management, nor its corrupt lawyers have any lawful authority or entitlement to be selling either of these unlawfully seized craft, . . Mersey or Wye. No. The best thing you could do is fuck off somewhere else where you might find a more receptive audience, because nobody here gives a fuck about any of your bullshit. In that case it's just as well that none of my posts, comments, or opinions are directed at, or for the benefit of, any of the 'nobodies' who blight this forum with their worthless presence. The audience that my posts, comments and opinions ARE directed at, . . on the other hand, . . are very receptive.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 25, 2022 7:15:38 GMT
No. The best thing you could do is fuck off somewhere else where you might find a more receptive audience, because nobody here gives a fuck about any of your bullshit. In that case it's just as well that none of my posts, comments, or opinions are directed at, or for the benefit of, any of the 'nobodies' who blight this forum with their worthless presence. The audience that my posts, comments and opinions ARE directed at, . . on the other hand, . . are very receptive. And for the sake of idle amusement, remind us worthless nobodies just exactly who this august assemblage is.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 25, 2022 7:45:36 GMT
Isn't he just saying that CBS is a broker and do not own the boat. Vendor, broker, buyer. 3 parties to a transaction.
Yes, it's not exactly rocket science, is it?
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