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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 26, 2022 19:31:52 GMT
They do work though to be fair. Imagine if you were normal (perish the thought) and lived in a house with a driveway of your own. Or even a garrij. Electric car would be super. Do your thing then plug it in. Can't really argue with that. I did a delivery to Farnborough (Hampshire) Airport (FA) and got chatting to the bod on the fork lift. Electric cars came up and he said FA provided free electric car charging points so his mate, who travelled from Kent every day bought a Tesla and the free electric paid for the car. So then FA sussed out what he was doing and started charging for the charging so now he's hundreds of quid a month out of pocket.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 19:34:52 GMT
I definitely would not consider an electric car if it meant relying on other people's charging systems.
If I was normal (perish the thought) with a garrij by my house and low consumer of road miles it might look nice but no way would it be a Tesla. There are far better electric cars out there.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 19:37:41 GMT
Which just proves the adage that there ain't FA for free.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 19:39:05 GMT
I definitely would not consider an electric car if it meant relying on other people's charging systems. If I was normal (perish the thought) with a garrij by my house and low consumer of road miles it might look nice but no way would it be a Tesla. There are far better electric cars out there. Surely a grr'arrr'j
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 26, 2022 19:43:02 GMT
Which just proves the adage that there ain't FA for free. They are going to charge VED on electric cars from (I think) 2025 too. It's just like when they were badgering everyone to love the environment and buy a diesel car, as soon as everyone had one they just said that diesel was now Satan's fuel responsible for killing millions of kittens and nuns every year and whacked the price of diesel and the VED on diesel cars up.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 19:47:02 GMT
I'm just shivering in my boots in anticipation of everyone ditching the car for a scooter.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 19:47:07 GMT
Well dodgy that someone else can switch your car off with an electric. Totally changes the game.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 19:48:54 GMT
To be fair that's possible with most 2010-on cars.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 19:58:39 GMT
To be fair that's possible with most 2010-on cars. I didn't know that. Apparently they do have a SIM in the car but was unaware that it was wired to the main circuits. I thought that was just for traffic and recording accident data.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 26, 2022 20:11:00 GMT
To be fair that's possible with most 2010-on cars. I didn't know that. Apparently they do have a SIM in the car but was unaware that it was wired to the main circuits. I thought that was just for traffic and recording accident data. I know that in the USA if you buy a car on finance and you don't keep up the payments the finance company can remotely disable it.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 21:34:39 GMT
That's interesting. If the original manufacturer were to go bankrupt would the car stop working,? I think in the case of a Tesla there is a fair chance it would stop working because the software running the vehicle belongs to the manufacturer and not the customer.
It is blurring the lines of product ownership. I'm not sure how aware people are of this.
It seems there is a risk here of the £100k car becoming non recyclable useless junk if the manufacturer goes to the wall. Obviously they are a big company in terms of valuation but stranger things have happened before now.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 21:45:40 GMT
That's interesting. If the original manufacturer were to go bankrupt would the car stop working,? I think in the case of a Tesla there is a fair chance it would stop working because the software running the vehicle belongs to the manufacturer and not the customer. It is blurring the lines of product ownership. I'm not sure how aware people are of this. It seems there is a risk here of the £100k car becoming non recyclable useless junk if the manufacturer goes to the wall. Obviously they are a big company in terms of valuation but stranger things have happened before now. di I think you are being alarmist (as usual). If a lender (creditor) goes bust, the usual course of affairs is that the debt is absorbed by another creditor. That the debt would disappear is highly unlikely. However if a car manufacturer went to the wall, in the unlikely event that the original entity was not absorbed by a bigger fish then the system controlling the remote shutdown feature, should it exist, would simply cease to operate. Also in my experience there isn't a car system yet devised that cannot be circumvented. It's just a question of who you know.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 22:02:55 GMT
That's interesting. If the original manufacturer were to go bankrupt would the car stop working,? I think in the case of a Tesla there is a fair chance it would stop working because the software running the vehicle belongs to the manufacturer and not the customer. It is blurring the lines of product ownership. I'm not sure how aware people are of this. It seems there is a risk here of the £100k car becoming non recyclable useless junk if the manufacturer goes to the wall. Obviously they are a big company in terms of valuation but stranger things have happened before now. di I think you are being alarmist (as usual). If a lender (creditor) goes bust, the usual course of affairs is that the debt is absorbed by another creditor. That the debt would disappear is highly unlikely. However if a car manufacturer went to the wall, in the unlikely event that the original entity was not absorbed by a bigger fish then the system controlling the remote shutdown feature, should it exist, would simply cease to operate. Also in my experience there isn't a car system yet devised that cannot be circumvented. It's just a question of who you know. No he’s correct it’s just that your thinking isn’t nuanced enough to grasp it. Tesla and a few other companies have been blurring the lines of ownership. If Tesla go to the wall something that is very feasable. Then the cars could be switched off. The company remains the owner of the software and all times.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 22:10:17 GMT
This is the whole problem.
FSD is a classic example. You pay your £10k or whatever ($15k at the moment apparently) for a license to run software which belongs to Tesla. This software will "in theory" allow the vehicle to drive itself. Subject to the technology working and the regulators approving the vehicle type to use on public roads. "Selling a theoretical future".
People are paying $15,000 for something which a) they don't own and b) does not exist.
It's a scam. A clever one but scam is what it is.
The bloke must be laughing all the way to the bank.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 22:15:37 GMT
This is the whole problem. FSD is a classic example. You pay your £10k or whatever ($15k at the moment apparently) for a license to run software which belongs to Tesla. This software will "in theory" allow the vehicle to drive itself. Subject to the technology working and the regulators approving the vehicle type to use on public roads. "Selling a theoretical future". People are paying $15,000 for something which a) they don't own and b) does not exist. It's a scam. A clever one but scam is what it is. The bloke must be laughing all the way to the bank. He’s lost quite a lot of money this year. Which must upset him, no matter how much he has left.
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