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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 22:19:23 GMT
They have a big lawsuit about the FSD scam as well. If that goes pear shaped there are a lot of people needing a lot of refunding.
Safety board AND a lawsuit from customers. Quite a lot of stress on this company plus interest rate rises and diving stock values.
And the Chinese story. Obviously the Chinese want it all for themselves so what's to say they don't spot the weakness and go for the jugular.
It could go really very badly next year.
The FSD scam is absolutely brilliant marketing though. Whatever happens that was pure genius.
Get people to pay you thousands of dollars for something they will never own and which doesn't exist. Pure class.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 22:36:09 GMT
I think you are being alarmist (as usual). If a lender (creditor) goes bust, the usual course of affairs is that the debt is absorbed by another creditor. That the debt would disappear is highly unlikely. However if a car manufacturer went to the wall, in the unlikely event that the original entity was not absorbed by a bigger fish then the system controlling the remote shutdown feature, should it exist, would simply cease to operate. Also in my experience there isn't a car system yet devised that cannot be circumvented. It's just a question of who you know. No he’s correct it’s just that your thinking isn’t nuanced enough to grasp it. Tesla and a few other companies have been blurring the lines of ownership. If Tesla go to the wall something that is very feasable. Then the cars could be switched off. The company remains the owner of the software and all times. You're right. I should have referred to your nuanced intellect before commenting. The software can be hacked, just as any other program yet written, but I suspect not many have yet felt the motivation. If Tesla 'switched off' all the cars it would be all the rage.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 22:40:52 GMT
They have a big lawsuit about the FSD scam as well. If that goes pear shaped there are a lot of people needing a lot of refunding. Safety board AND a lawsuit from customers. Quite a lot of stress on this company plus interest rate rises and diving stock values. And the Chinese story. Obviously the Chinese want it all for themselves so what's to say they don't spot the weakness and go for the jugular. It could go really very badly next year. The FSD scam is absolutely brilliant marketing though. Whatever happens that was pure genius. Get people to pay you thousands of dollars for something they will never own and which doesn't exist. Pure class. You could be right it might suit the Chinese for Tesla to fail. Not just because he has been buying rights to lithium that the Chinese considered theirs. They also have their sights set on Mars so the knock on effect to spacex might suit there ends.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 22:51:40 GMT
No he’s correct it’s just that your thinking isn’t nuanced enough to grasp it. Tesla and a few other companies have been blurring the lines of ownership. If Tesla go to the wall something that is very feasable. Then the cars could be switched off. The company remains the owner of the software and all times. You're right. I should have referred to your nuanced intellect before commenting. The software can be hacked, just as any other program yet written, but I suspect not many have yet felt the motivation. If Tesla 'switched off' all the cars it would be all the rage. Your so clever. Yes software can be hacked. But why don’t you see many jailbroken iPhones anymore?
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 22:52:39 GMT
Get people to pay you thousands of dollars for something they will never own and which doesn't exist. Pure class. Someone was once of the opinion that he wouldn't pay for something he couldn't see or touch, and declined the offer. The persons involved: Sir Alan Sugar and Bill Gates.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 22:55:49 GMT
Get people to pay you thousands of dollars for something they will never own and which doesn't exist. Pure class. Someone was once of the opinion that he wouldn't pay for something he couldn't see or touch, and declined the offer. The persons involved: Sir Alan Sugar and Bill Gates. .Ah yes bill gates and Microsoft another one of the mega Corps who have blurred the lines of ownership.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 22:57:56 GMT
You're right. I should have referred to your nuanced intellect before commenting. The software can be hacked, just as any other program yet written, but I suspect not many have yet felt the motivation. If Tesla 'switched off' all the cars it would be all the rage. Your so clever. Yes software can be hacked. But why don’t you see many jailbroken iPhones anymore? Because I don't use an iphone or know anybody that does. It's a computer and computers can be hacked. Google it.
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 23:02:10 GMT
Another problem is parts availability.
Yes, these are cars. They have moving parts like wheels and even motors and drive unit modules. All these things will and do fail at some point and need repairing or replacing.
With real cars you can get pattern parts but is this the case for Tesla? Quick Google search says replacement windscreen is over £2 grand. Oh dear!
Motors seem to fail quite regularly. Anyone else doing them?
It's not all about software. It might seem like a smartphone but not many smartphones get to go out in crap weather doing 70mph on a motorway on their own wheels with people sitting on them.
Aluminium panels = dents.
Door handles.
The list is endless. You are 100% reliant on the manufacturer in a way that you aren't with other manufacturers who mass produce and have parts bin components and lots of other companies producing parts.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 23:05:01 GMT
Your so clever. Yes software can be hacked. But why don’t you see many jailbroken iPhones anymore? Because I don't use an iphone or know anybody that does. It's a computer and computers can be hacked. Google it. Ah so you don’t know then?
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Post by on Dec 26, 2022 23:05:56 GMT
Someone was once of the opinion that he wouldn't pay for something he couldn't see or touch, and declined the offer. The persons involved: Sir Alan Sugar and Bill Gates. . To be fair the software produced by Microsoft is real and does make computers function in quite a lot of places. The point with the Tesla FSD is that it actually isn't real. It doesn't exist. Literally. It is something which is predicted to exist in the future. You buy something which doesn't exist and doesn't do anything. With a Windows product you get software which actually does something.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 23:07:24 GMT
Someone was once of the opinion that he wouldn't pay for something he couldn't see or touch, and declined the offer. The persons involved: Sir Alan Sugar and Bill Gates. .Ah yes bill gates and Microsoft another one of the mega Corps who have blurred the lines of ownership. It's a fair point but MS software was never for sale, only to be licensed. However it only as the internet matured that it was possible to fully implement the policy. Windows 10 was a transparent attempt at MS grabbing a slice of the information cake which was hugely successful because they resorted to MS marketing strategy no.1: give it away. But even then it only worked if you already had a pre-existing licence for an earlier version of Windows.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 23:13:57 GMT
Because I don't use an iphone or know anybody that does. It's a computer and computers can be hacked. Google it. Ah so you don’t know then? The briefest of searches shows several claimed methods, but since I don't own an iphone and have no interest in ever buying one (or any other Apple product) I couldn't say how successful any of them might be. So no, I don't know through personal experience.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 23:16:01 GMT
.Ah yes bill gates and Microsoft another one of the mega Corps who have blurred the lines of ownership. It's a fair point but MS software was never for sale, only to be licensed. However it only as the internet matured that it was possible to fully implement the policy. Windows 10 was a transparent attempt at MS grabbing a slice of the information cake which was hugely successful because they resorted to MS marketing strategy no.1: give it away. But even then it only worked if you already had a pre-existing licence for an earlier version of Windows. Now they don’t support windows 10 anymore. I have a laptop that still runs it. It still works but annoyingly wants to update every hour by restarting its self. Luckily I don’t have to use it much. It just has the software for altering the settings on the inverter and mppts on it.
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Post by Aloysius on Dec 26, 2022 23:20:13 GMT
Another problem is parts availability. This is a good point, but it's great news for those who like creating custom cars. The vid is a bit sniggery but the car is far out (man). "Simplify. Add lightness", as somebody clever once said.
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Post by kris on Dec 26, 2022 23:23:10 GMT
Ah so you don’t know then? The briefest of searches shows several claimed methods, but since I don't own an iphone and have no interest in ever buying one (or any other Apple product) I couldn't say how successful any of them might be. So no, I don't know through personal experience. companies have got very good at protecting their software ip. It’s the same reason you don’t get many copies of computer games like you used to. So the idea an individual would be able to hack the code for something like a Tesla car is a bit Disney. It would take a team of software engineers quite a long time. The idea of people running cracked versions of Tesla cars whilst quite interesting is very fanciful.
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