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Post by Aloysius on Mar 23, 2023 13:27:32 GMT
At the heart of the K&A issue is a rejection of CRT's definition of what constitutes an acceptable cruising range, not made any easier by the fact that the trust refuses to state with any certainty what it is; but in practice it appears to be around 30 miles point-to-point annually. I recall the couple with two children were reluctant to get very far from the area which I don't doubt is where their jobs and schools are; it would be challenging to cover that range on pedal power alone, but other forms of propulsion are available; and George has at least one boat incapable of going anywhere. TBH I think it ceased to be a boat some time ago.
So yeah, there is a sense of entitlement to something that isn't available, nor was it ever, so I agree with you to a point, but as ever you have a unique perspective.
The smarmy and snide responses from the CRT guy are risible. They must hand-pick these guys. But CRT isn't a housing association. It was better when nobody gave a toss, but this is what led to the massive expansion of canal dwellers.
ETA interesting to note that Dunk doesn't have a monopoly of the 'extra-judicial authority' argument.
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Post by on Mar 23, 2023 15:01:32 GMT
The irritating woman with the kid with a stupid name said he was home educated.
I'm sure these people are just playing poor rather than actually being poor.
It is an easy argument "We will have to live in a van" but is it genuine ? Is this really the only alternative for them?
I have significant doubts about this.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 23, 2023 15:23:59 GMT
At the heart of the K&A issue is a rejection of CRT's definition of what constitutes an acceptable cruising range, not made any easier by the fact that the trust refuses to state with any certainty what it is; but in practice it appears to be around 30 miles point-to-point annually. I recall the couple with two children were reluctant to get very far from the area which I don't doubt is where their jobs and schools are; it would be challenging to cover that range on pedal power alone, but other forms of propulsion are available; and George has at least one boat incapable of going anywhere. TBH I think it ceased to be a boat some time ago. So yeah, there is a sense of entitlement to something that isn't available, nor was it ever, so I agree with you to a point, but as ever you have a unique perspective. The smarmy and snide responses from the CRT guy are risible. They must hand-pick these guys. But CRT isn't a housing association. It was better when nobody gave a toss, but this is what led to the massive expansion of canal dwellers. ETA interesting to note that Dunk doesn't have a monopoly of the 'extra-judicial authority' argument. The C&RT specimen is called Matthew Symonds, . . an experimental GM life-form, loosely modelled on a human being, and one of many similar management and legal staff specially chosen for recruitment from the bottom of the same pond by C&RT Ltd CEO Parry and Company Secretary Deards. The saddest thing about that video is the way it illustrates the extent to which it is accepted that C&RT have the lawful authority and powers to evict boat owners from their privately owned pleasure craft, then to seize the vessel, remove it from whatever C&RT controlled waterway it happens to be on, and then finally to transport it away for disposal by means of either selling it on, illegally, to a new unsuspecting owner, or breaking it up, . . a regrettable state of affairs for which the responsibility rests wholly with the Community Law Partnership - the relatively useless and rather thick lawyers who advise and act for the NBTA and its members. As for your stupid remark about "a monopoly of the 'extra-judicial authority' argument", . . I don't know if it cropped up anywhere in that video, but it's certainly NOT a phrase or argument that I've ever used.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 23, 2023 17:35:08 GMT
The irritating woman with the kid with a stupid name said he was home educated. Interesting point about the stupid name, Ossian.
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Post by on Mar 23, 2023 18:04:58 GMT
I changed it to andrew when I was 11 yars old.
One can not choose one's parents !
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Post by on Mar 23, 2023 18:10:16 GMT
The saddest thing about that video is the way it illustrates the extent to which it is accepted that C&RT have the lawful authority and powers to evict boat owners from their privately owned pleasure craft, then to seize the vessel, remove it from whatever C&RT controlled waterway it happens to be on, and then finally to transport it away for disposal... Surely you have been around long enough to notice that slums are not tolerated. I know that pikeys can get away with murder but do you really think it is a good idea to breed a generation of boat dwellers who end up thinking they can do the same thing? Give them an inch and they take a mile. It is inevitable. Surely you are not that thick that you can't see this. I know you are not a boater and probably never have been other than in your chosen profession but no we do NOT want the public to view us as pikeys. Anyone encouraging this outcome should fuck off.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 23, 2023 18:22:45 GMT
The bottom line is that if you need a licence to do something, and you decline to obtain such a licence and abide by its terms, then the licensing authority will take such action as is required to stop you doing that thing. It's not a new idea.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 23, 2023 19:02:03 GMT
To clear up any misunderstandings there might be over my describing the treatment of George Ward at the hands of C&RT and its corrupt lawyers as 'unfair', . . it is quite simply that this man IS being treated unfairly in that he is being subjected to yet another instance of C&RT misusing and abusing inappropriate statutory powers to resolve a shambolic mess which it, as the navigation authority, should never have created nor then allowed to develop in the first place.
The origins of the long running George Ward saga rest squarely with C&RT's obsession with its own customary abuse and misuse of the statutory powers it enjoys - quite literally 'enjoys', . . hugely - under Sections 8 and 13 of the British Waterways Acts of 1983 and 1971 respectively, . . when in truth the initial problems with George Ward's boat(s) could have been, and SHOULD have been, addressed initially via the procedurally correct, and lawful, application or use of the 1976 Licensing Byelaws, the statutory powers specifically for the 'Recovery of Charges' and 'Control of Unsafe Vessels' under Sections 5 and 7 respectively of the !983 Act, and the statutory powers applicable under Sections 17 and 18 of the 1995 Act.
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Post by anothernarrowescape on Mar 23, 2023 19:05:53 GMT
I think the thing with the pedal powered boat is a bit odd. She takes the power plant out of her boat, and then claims she cannot meet the minimum cruising recommendation which you would presume she could more easily with diesel power. This is also coupled with her saying there are no downsides to pedal power before binning it into the bank at a water point with the slightest breeze.
George is a bit of a minor player in the doc, and sadly seems to have mentally declined somewhat since filming however I don't have anywhere near enough letters after my name to have that be anything more than speculation.
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Post by on Mar 23, 2023 19:20:29 GMT
Its just idiots pushing the system then when the system catches up they winge and sell the boat cheap.
I'm unsure why it would be relevant how much the boat is sold for. If you have been caught taking the piss then move on, literally and don't moan.
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 23, 2023 20:08:24 GMT
So the woman thinks she may have to live in a van. If she does and parks in a laybay on the A34, how long does she think that will be tolerated.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 23, 2023 20:41:44 GMT
I think the thing with the pedal powered boat is a bit odd. She takes the power plant out of her boat, and then claims she cannot meet the minimum cruising recommendation which you would presume she could more easily with diesel power. This is also coupled with her saying there are no downsides to pedal power before binning it into the bank at a water point with the slightest breeze. George is a bit of a minor player in the doc, and sadly seems to have mentally declined somewhat since filming however I don't have anywhere near enough letters after my name to have that be anything more than speculation. The real significance of that video is the way it illustrates the extent to which it is accepted that C&RT have the lawful authority and powers to evict boat owners from their privately owned pleasure craft, then to seize the vessel, remove it from whatever C&RT controlled waterway it happens to be on, and then finally to transport it away for disposal by means of either selling it on, illegally, to a new unsuspecting owner, or breaking it up, . . a regrettable state of affairs for which the responsibility rests wholly with the Community Law Partnership - the relatively useless and rather thick lawyers who advise and act for the NBTA and its members. The C&RT management regard themselves and the organisation as being above the Law, . . and exempt from the standards of common decency by which most of the UK population live.
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Post by on Mar 23, 2023 20:48:53 GMT
The C&RT management regard themselves and the organisation as being above the Law, . . and exempt from the standards of common decency by which most of the UK population live by. No. The boat owners regard themselves and their twat NBTA organisation as being above the law, . . and exempt from the standards of common decency by which most of the population live.
(removed the second "by" for grammatical correctness)
People who claim they can live on towpaths and not have to move about are the same as squatters. That woman who was so annoying said she had been on the K&A for twelve years or something. Where is this "Bona Fide"?
I know not everyone does Latin at school but come on! We have google to look up this sort of shit these days.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 23, 2023 22:00:56 GMT
The inclusion of George Ward and the girl with the pedalo boat in that video was big mistake on the NBTA's part, . . they draw attention away from the real message that needs getting across, and provide the unthinking bigots - those too stupid to realise that they're Parry & Co's next targets for getting rid of - with the means to put up a smokescreen for C&RT to hide its wrong doing, dishonesty, and above all its true intentions behind.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 24, 2023 1:01:43 GMT
At the heart of the K&A issue is a rejection of CRT's definition of what constitutes an acceptable cruising range, not made any easier by the fact that the trust refuses to state with any certainty what it is; but in practice it appears to be around 30 miles point-to-point annually. I recall the couple with two children were reluctant to get very far from the area which I don't doubt is where their jobs and schools are; it would be challenging to cover that range on pedal power alone, but other forms of propulsion are available; and George has at least one boat incapable of going anywhere. TBH I think it ceased to be a boat some time ago. So yeah, there is a sense of entitlement to something that isn't available, nor was it ever, so I agree with you to a point, but as ever you have a unique perspective. The smarmy and snide responses from the CRT guy are risible. They must hand-pick these guys. But CRT isn't a housing association. It was better when nobody gave a toss, but this is what led to the massive expansion of canal dwellers. ETA interesting to note that Dunk doesn't have a monopoly of the 'extra-judicial authority' argument. The C&RT specimen is called Matthew Symonds, . . an experimental GM life-form, loosely modelled on a human being, and one of many similar management and legal staff specially chosen for recruitment from the bottom of the same pond by C&RT Ltd CEO Parry and Company Secretary Deards. The saddest thing about that video is the way it illustrates the extent to which it is accepted that C&RT have the lawful authority and powers to evict boat owners from their privately owned pleasure craft, then to seize the vessel, remove it from whatever C&RT controlled waterway it happens to be on, and then finally to transport it away for disposal by means of either selling it on, illegally, to a new unsuspecting owner, or breaking it up, . . a regrettable state of affairs for which the responsibility rests wholly with the Community Law Partnership - the relatively useless and rather thick lawyers who advise and act for the NBTA and its members. As for your stupid remark about "a monopoly of the 'extra-judicial authority' argument", . . I don't know if it cropped up anywhere in that video, but it's certainly NOT a phrase or argument that I've ever used. Insults from you are like the weather - as inevitable and without meaning. You've spent the last decade going on at every opportunity about how CRT abuse and exceed their authority, but I do apologise for not directly quoting your tedious prose verbatim. And yes, the pedal power girl did at one point reference the 1995 act and make the assertion that CRT exceed the use of powers granted in precisely the same way you always have. You fucking prick.
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