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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 13:23:21 GMT
If you are referring to me. There is still comeback or the effect of hassle shall I say on CW effecting certainly me and probably other. I was referring to you. I don't know about the hassle you have received concerning CDWF, but I'd prefer that your hassle (and others) were kept to the CWDF section, and that animosity about CWDF was kept to a minimum elsewhere. This might have already happened so please don't shoot me down too quickly. Look, delta set this site up primarily to allow complete freedom of speech, with no mod intervention. That needs to be recognised, and protected. If someone wishes to gob off about cwdf, so be it. Eventually, I have no doubt the subject will come up less frequently, but in the meantime, you can ignore it if you so choose.
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Post by Graham on Nov 1, 2016 13:25:54 GMT
I will repeat what I said on the other channel years ago, I was a an electrician driver in the army, Signal regiments would have upwards of 8000 traction batteries, we maintained them we had charging logs, how long they lasted between charges etc, some of the batteries were 20 years old. We used to flush batteries out and refill them with correct strength electrolyte they were stamped up when this was done. Now sometime in the 80s this ended and batteries were left to their own devices within a few years batteries were failing at 3 - 4 years old because none of the above was carried out the battery shops had gone and the cost of replacement soon crept up so no savings were made from not doing the maintenance anymore. We had bank charging systems that were automatic, plus individual chargers/dischargers to assess batteries so to watch people arguing about batteries is amusing but not helpful Tony's bit was accurate enough for most people to understand and work with so why complicate it? Don't think I was trying to complicate it, simplify yes BTW I remember those days Not that I had to do it
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Post by Graham on Nov 1, 2016 13:29:23 GMT
I was referring to you. I don't know about the hassle you have received concerning CDWF, but I'd prefer that your hassle (and others) were kept to the CWDF section, and that animosity about CWDF was kept to a minimum elsewhere. This might have already happened so please don't shoot me down too quickly. Look, delta set this site up primarily to allow complete freedom of speech, with no mod intervention. That needs to be recognised, and protected. If someone wishes to gob off about cwdf, so be it. Eventually, I have no doubt the subject will come up less frequently, but in the meantime, you can ignore it if you so choose. I think it is getting less, that latest flood brought a flash back shall we say when they appeared to try to continue where they left off. But the freedom to say what is felt and thought helps things to go away slowly. I am certainly posting with less fear
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 13:32:10 GMT
I was referring to you. I don't know about the hassle you have received concerning CDWF, but I'd prefer that your hassle (and others) were kept to the CWDF section, and that animosity about CWDF was kept to a minimum elsewhere. This might have already happened so please don't shoot me down too quickly. Look, delta set this site up primarily to allow complete freedom of speech, with no mod intervention. That needs to be recognised, and protected. If someone wishes to gob off about cwdf, so be it. Eventually, I have no doubt the subject will come up less frequently, but in the meantime, you can ignore it if you so choose. I didn't mean to shut down conversation about CDWF, and I know enough about why this site was created. Ignore the posts about cdwf, no chance, they are really interesting.
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Post by Graham on Nov 1, 2016 13:32:58 GMT
That is the best answer you could give lol Lovely Well, I can say more if you wish. For instance, the only people who I consider to have any knowledge on electrics here at the moment, are gibbo, and Nick. Yourself, and tonyqj just seem to enjoy an argument (under the guise of debate), which does I freely admit give a comic input. However, both your inputs are at best in my view "amateurish", and should be taken with a very large dose of salt. 😂😂😂😂 I am glad that amateurish is the view lol I hope those are not liver salts though It means that I do not appear too lofty. As for Gibbo's knowledge I do not know yet he seems very quiet at the moment.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 1, 2016 13:46:49 GMT
Tony's bit was accurate enough for most people to understand and work with so why complicate it? I completely agree, and said so earlier.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 1, 2016 13:49:47 GMT
As for Gibbo's knowledge I do not know yet he seems very quiet at the moment. Trust me, there's nothing wrong with Gibbo's knowledge. He's quiet right now because he has other priorities at present.
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Post by Graham on Nov 1, 2016 14:09:52 GMT
As for Gibbo's knowledge I do not know yet he seems very quiet at the moment. Trust me, there's nothing wrong with Gibbo's knowledge. He's quiet right now because he has other priorities at present. I did not say there was just I do not know and it is an area I take no one' word for
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Post by smileypete on Nov 1, 2016 22:08:30 GMT
Seems to me there's 2 common themes with battery monitor problems: 1. The user does't truly understand batt charging and discharging in simple terms of correct charge voltage/tail current and approx resting voltage... AND SO: 2. The batt monitor is not set up correctly (if an amp counting type) and is often left on default settings. So my general advice would be to master step 1, and then use that to cover step 2. That said most (but by no means all) leisure boaters seem to get by OK enough without getting past step 1, even liveaboards if they don't mind more frequent batt replacement.
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Post by tonyb on Nov 2, 2016 9:12:06 GMT
Edited the title to exclude the Smartguage and if we have any millionaires the son of Smartguage. Regrettably the admissible character count meant I had to go for the "tell lies" bit. I can see no way to list the likely gauge makes and types but even if I could it may not be wise to name names.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 2, 2016 9:22:21 GMT
Edited the title to exclude the Smartguage and if we have any millionaires the son of Smartguage. Regrettably the admissible character count meant I had to go for the "tell lies" bit. I can see no way to list the likely gauge makes and types but even if I could it may not be wise to name names. I don't see the point of listing model numbers, as soon as a new one comes out the post would be incomplete. If someone reads the title as-is then it makes perfect sense anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 9:29:08 GMT
Seems to me there's 2 common themes with battery monitor problems: 1. The user does't truly understand batt charging and discharging in simple terms of correct charge voltage/tail current and approx resting voltage... AND SO: 2. The batt monitor is not set up correctly (if an amp counting type) and is often left on default settings. So my general advice would be to master step 1, and then use that to cover step 2. That said most (but by no means all) leisure boaters seem to get by OK enough without getting past step 1, even liveaboards if they don't mind more frequent batt replacement. Think you are right. One of the main problems when recently installing my battery monitor was what to input as the battery capacity. In the end, I just made an educated guess.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 2, 2016 9:48:08 GMT
Edited the title to exclude the Smartguage and if we have any millionaires the son of Smartguage. Regrettably the admissible character count meant I had to go for the "tell lies" bit. I can see no way to list the likely gauge makes and types but even if I could it may not be wise to name names. Where you talk about the default tail current setting and mention 2 or 3%, in fact the popular Victron BMV range uses 4% default which is even worse!
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 2, 2016 17:16:08 GMT
Edited the title to exclude the Smartguage and if we have any millionaires the son of Smartguage. Regrettably the admissible character count meant I had to go for the "tell lies" bit. I can see no way to list the likely gauge makes and types but even if I could it may not be wise to name names. Where you talk about the default tail current setting and mention 2 or 3%, in fact the popular Victron BMV range uses 4% default which is even worse! Yes, good point. TonyB, might be worth changing your 2% to 3% to 2% to 4%.
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Post by tonyb on Nov 2, 2016 17:36:05 GMT
happy to so I suppose I will have to add the "trouble makers" name to the credits
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