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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2023 11:20:26 GMT
Actually if you shake Tony Dunkleyβs hand Iβd suggest you make sure you have all your fingers afterwards.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 22, 2023 11:55:55 GMT
I thought you where on holiday Steve? I am. Biding my time at the moment, and doing a bit of research. π You need to, . . there are a lot of holes in your knowledge of C&RT Ltd's governing legislation and statutory powers, the law in general, Court procedures, and about how the Courts function, . . to say nothing of the holes in your head when it comes to logical thought processes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 13:49:15 GMT
I am. Biding my time at the moment, and doing a bit of research. π You need to, . . there are a lot of holes in your knowledge of C&RT Ltd's governing legislation and statutory powers, the law in general, Court procedures, and about how the Courts function, . . to say nothing of the holes in your head when it comes to logical thought processes. Let me tell you something, i have two very close relatives who work within the courts, both know and understand the law better than you (obviously). Both think you're a fuckin idiot, and they are probably in a thumping great queue of many who think the same. You know fuck all, you just interpret most of it to fit your stupid mind games (which never win anything). The fact and proof of course is that you've lost two boats, and helped lose a third you thick cunt. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being, and should have been put down years ago. Your only outlet for stupidity is on this forum, where the majority who read it think you're an idiot as well. Now be a good boy, do the decent thing and go quietly.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 22, 2023 14:07:53 GMT
There are the byelaws but apparently they never use them. Part of me wonders if there was some sort of fuckup with the transfer order where the BW byelaws ended up not being enforceable by the CRT as they are not a public body. Something odd going on. do you have to be a public body to use Byelaws? ToCs aren't public bodies AfAIK and they use prosecute bylaw offences all the time. Although like CRT they do like to not use them, like parking enforcement. They use dodgy PPC instead of prosecuting with bylaws.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 22, 2023 14:51:51 GMT
You need to, . . there are a lot of holes in your knowledge of C&RT Ltd's governing legislation and statutory powers, the law in general, Court procedures, and about how the Courts function, . . to say nothing of the holes in your head when it comes to logical thought processes. Let me tell you something, i have two very close relatives who work within the courts, both know and understand the law better than you (obviously). Both think you're a fuckin idiot, and they are probably in a thumping great queue of many who think the same. You know fuck all, you just interpret most of it to fit your stupid mind games (which never win anything). The fact and proof of course is that you've lost two boats, and helped lose a third you thick cunt. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being, and should have been put down years ago. Your only outlet for stupidity is on this forum, where the majority who read it think you're an idiot as well. Now be a good boy, do the decent thing and go quietly. You've mentioned these relatives of yours before, . . are they still making the tea and cleaning the bogs ?
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Post by Murgatroyd on Apr 22, 2023 14:59:17 GMT
You need to, . . there are a lot of holes in your knowledge of C&RT Ltd's governing legislation and statutory powers, the law in general, Court procedures, and about how the Courts function, . . to say nothing of the holes in your head when it comes to logical thought processes. i have two very close relatives who Both think you're a fuckin idiot It's genetic
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 15:08:41 GMT
Let me tell you something, i have two very close relatives who work within the courts, both know and understand the law better than you (obviously). Both think you're a fuckin idiot, and they are probably in a thumping great queue of many who think the same. You know fuck all, you just interpret most of it to fit your stupid mind games (which never win anything). The fact and proof of course is that you've lost two boats, and helped lose a third you thick cunt. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being, and should have been put down years ago. Your only outlet for stupidity is on this forum, where the majority who read it think you're an idiot as well. Now be a good boy, do the decent thing and go quietly. You've mentioned these relatives of yours before, . . are they still making the tea and cleaning the bogs ? You're a fuckin idiot, hence why crt frequently piss down your spine and convince you it's just rain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 15:10:34 GMT
i have two very close relatives who Both think you're a fuckin idiot It's genetic If you want to talk about motorbikes start seperate thread.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 22, 2023 15:15:29 GMT
There are the byelaws but apparently they never use them. Part of me wonders if there was some sort of fuckup with the transfer order where the BW byelaws ended up not being enforceable by the CRT as they are not a public body. Something odd going on. do you have to be a public body to use Byelaws? ToCs aren't public bodies AfAIK and they use prosecute bylaw offences all the time. Although like CRT they do like to not use them, like parking enforcement. They use dodgy PPC instead of prosecuting with bylaws. The British Waterways Board (Transfer of Functions) Order 2012 -- transferred BWB functions and powers to the C&RT (Ltd), . . including the authority to pursue Byelaw prosecutions. Prior to the Nigel Johnson era, BWB routinely pursued Byelaw prosecutions. The reason given for misusing and abusing Section 8 powers in preference to Byelaw prosecutions during the little shit's spell in office as head of legal was that 'the Board' didn't want to leave people with criminal records from Byelaw prosecutions, . . and so instead did them the kindness of evicting them from their boats and then stealing them under the pretence of a legitimate Section 8 removal. The C&RT Ltd persist in peddling the same lie, . . to similarly gullible hordes of inland boatowners, the boating organsations that represent them, and the blinkered lawyers to whom those boating organsations turn for help.
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Post by The Cat Man on Apr 22, 2023 15:30:05 GMT
If CRT or any future 'operater' of the canals started enforcing byelaws the changes would be considerable - apart from the initial 'riots', people would soon learn to comply.
Not saying that would be a good thing as normally there isn't any lee way given once byelaws get enforced.
It would be more like the River Wey managed by the NT who can apply and do enforce byelaws (through the courts).
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 23, 2023 8:15:33 GMT
The paragraph reproduced below - from post < thunderboat.boards.net/post/364544/thread > - needs to be read in conjunction with Section 8, in its entirety, of the British Waterways Act 1983, . . the section of that Act that C&RT Ltd so regularly and persistently misuse and abuse : - "Unlicensed craft, or craft "left" [therein] or moored "without lawful authority" in a C&RT Ltd controlled waterway, and in the possession of known and contactable owners, can and should be dealt with via the lawful and procedurally correct processes of criminal prosecution under the 1976 Licensing Byelaws, the use of the statutory powers specifically for the 'Recovery of Charges' and (if appropriate) the 'Control of Unsafe Vessels' under Sections 5 and 7 respectively of the !983 Act, and if necessary in the circumstances, the statutory powers applicable under Sections 17 and 18 of the 1995 Act." ______________________________________________________________________ Once having read, absorbed and understood the above, . . the following should make things even clearer :- In the period immediately after the 1983 Act went onto the statute book, sunk, stranded or abandoned boats with no known or contactable owner would be dealt with under Section 8 of the 1983 Act and removed (towed) to the nearest BWB Maintenance Yard or other suitable location for storage afloat. Boats that were "left or moored [in the waterway] without lawful authority, and were quite obviously no-hopers in poor and/or sinking condition, and again with no known contactable owner, would also be dealt with under Section 8 of the 1983 Act, . . and they would be broken up in situ by British Waterways, at minimal cost and with minimal delay, . . and then taken away in bits in a mud hopper for final disposal. If there was a known contactable owner the boat in question would dealt with under whichever of Sections 7 or 8 of the 1983 Act was deemed most appropriate, . . and the owner would invariably be given the opportunity to deal with the vessel themselves, . . under BWB or more usually an approved contractor's supervision, . . during the specified Section 7 or 8 process notice period. It is important to note that in these circumstances the contractual arrangements for the raising, removal, or repair of the boat were always between the owner and the BWB approved contractor, . . and NEVER between the approved contractor and the BWB.
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Post by β on Apr 23, 2023 9:27:42 GMT
If CRT or any future 'operater' of the canals started enforcing byelaws the changes would be considerable - apart from the initial 'riots', people would soon learn to comply.
Not saying that would be a good thing as normally there isn't any lee way given once byelaws get enforced.
It would be more like the River Wey managed by the NT who can apply and do enforce byelaws (through the courts).
The river Wey is an interesting waterway. They don't take any shit and it is well maintained. Nobody lives on boats moored to the towpath.
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Post by kris on Apr 23, 2023 10:02:56 GMT
If CRT or any future 'operater' of the canals started enforcing byelaws the changes would be considerable - apart from the initial 'riots', people would soon learn to comply.
Not saying that would be a good thing as normally there isn't any lee way given once byelaws get enforced.
It would be more like the River Wey managed by the NT who can apply and do enforce byelaws (through the courts).
The river Wey is an interesting waterway. They don't take any shit and it is well maintained. Nobody lives on boats moored to the towpath. sounds really boring and uninteresting. In my opinion itβs the interesting characters that live along the towpath that make the canals interesting. Other wise they would just be muddy ditches.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 23, 2023 10:20:51 GMT
There are the byelaws but apparently they never use them. Part of me wonders if there was some sort of fuckup with the transfer order where the BW byelaws ended up not being enforceable by the CRT as they are not a public body. Something odd going on. do you have to be a public body to use Byelaws? ToCs aren't public bodies AfAIK and they use prosecute bylaw offences all the time. Although like CRT they do like to not use them, like parking enforcement. They use dodgy PPC instead of prosecuting with bylaws. The British Waterways Board (Transfer of Functions) Order 2012 -- transferred BWB functions and powers to the C&RT (Ltd), . . including the authority to pursue Byelaw prosecutions. Prior to the Nigel Johnson era, BWB routinely pursued Byelaw prosecutions. The reason given for misusing and abusing Section 8 powers in preference to Byelaw prosecutions during the little shit's spell in office as head of legal was that 'the Board' didn't want to leave people with criminal records from Byelaw prosecutions, . . and so instead did them the kindness of evicting them from their boats and then stealing them under the pretence of a legitimate Section 8 removal. The C&RT Ltd persist in peddling the same lie, . . to similarly gullible hordes of inland boatowners, the boating organsations that represent them, and the blinkered lawyers to whom those boating organsations turn for help.
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Post by β on Apr 23, 2023 10:28:29 GMT
The river Wey is an interesting waterway. They don't take any shit and it is well maintained. Nobody lives on boats moored to the towpath. sounds really boring and uninteresting. In my opinion itβs the interesting characters that live along the towpath that make the canals interesting. Other wise they would just be muddy ditches. It depends what you like but for pleasure boaters there are things which don't happen there which can make the boating more enjoyable.
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