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Post by tonyqj on Nov 2, 2016 15:40:36 GMT
I've never really seen the point in watching 22 spoiled millionaires kicking a pig's bladder around for 90 minutes.
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Post by kris on Nov 2, 2016 15:50:35 GMT
I think all football should be banned its corrupt, immoral, overpaid and crap sport!!! Rugby however......... completely agree, 23men and a bag of wind, very over rated in my opinion.
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Post by thebfg on Nov 2, 2016 16:55:09 GMT
Not sure if this is sport or politics? The FA's request to FIFA for their players to be allowed to wear poppies on their sleeves in a forthcoming match has been rejected. Apparently the FA say it's an individual thing, to show respect, nothing to do with politics or religion, slogans of which are banned by FIFA. What I'm wondering is if FIFA bow to the pressure and allow them to be worn: would an individual, a player, who chose not to wear a poppy, for whatever reason, be vilified by all and sundry? If it were me I wouldn't wear a poppy. I might have done 20 years ago but the vast majority of those who didn't die in the war are dead now anyway. At some stage, we need to move on. No player has ever been forced to wear a poppy, Derry born James McClean Does not wear one. He says if it just represented the two world wars he would wear one, However more recent conflicts cause issue to him. He once said "But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me. For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different." I wear one with pride and have been to church on remembrance Sunday every year since I was little. For me the cause of the war or any issues that arise from it are a non issue I wear one to remember not only the fallen but the survivors too and that is from both sides of the conflict. Hearing the Last Post always brings a tear to my eye. However important or unimportant any war is, for any side. All the deaths need to be remembered. We Must Never Forget Them
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Post by bodger on Nov 2, 2016 17:09:14 GMT
it seems a shame that poppies have not been adopted by all the combatant nations of the 2 world wars; it seems it is largely a British thing which is almost unheard of even in Belgium and France where the action took place.
it is certainly not a symbol of victory and I would be very pleased to see the Germans wearing poppies - united in sadness at the wasted generation that died in Flanders fields.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 2, 2016 17:12:14 GMT
it seems a shame that poppies have not been adopted by all the combatant nations of the 2 world wars; it seems it is largely a British thing which is almost unheard of even in Belgium and France where the action took place. it is certainly not a symbol of victory and I would be very pleased to see the Germans wearing poppies - united in sadness at the wasted generation that died in Flanders fields. Well said sir. Poppies are (in my opinion, whatever the original intention), these days used to remember the fallen on all sides, combatants and non-combatants.
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Post by faffer on Nov 2, 2016 17:48:10 GMT
What the feck has it got to do with anyone if they wear one or not, if tney want to or not, there choice, i have never worn and i have no problem with those that do.
Moan over, just got man flue and get sick of these numb head people teling folk what thye can and cant bloody do.
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Post by tuscan on Nov 2, 2016 18:27:26 GMT
Happy to stick some change in the tin to support the charity, personally wouldn't wear one
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Post by auntsally on Nov 2, 2016 22:26:20 GMT
English & Scottish FA's will defy the ban and players will be allowed to wear poppy armbands during the match on 11/11/16.....Info from BBC news website
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 2, 2016 22:42:25 GMT
English & Scottish FA's will defy the ban and players will be allowed to wear poppy armbands during the match on 11/11/16.....Info from BBC news website In the real world: allowed to, or forced to? Has anyone asked the individual players involved whether they want to wear one or not? After all, the will of the FA for their players to wear poppies shouldn't override the will of players making their individual choice.
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Post by auntsally on Nov 2, 2016 22:52:14 GMT
English & Scottish FA's will defy the ban and players will be allowed to wear poppy armbands during the match on 11/11/16.....Info from BBC news website In the real world: allowed to, or forced to? Has anyone asked the individual players involved whether they want to wear one or not? After all, the will of the FA for their players to wear poppies shouldn't override the will of players making their individual choice. I'm quite sure that they are all old enough to make up their own minds....If they don't wear one it will be their choice and I hope that no one (press/TV /media/public) judge them in any way....As you say it is their own will to wear one.
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Post by Delta9 on Nov 2, 2016 22:53:51 GMT
Even if they aren't forced by their bosses, any player that doesn't wear one will be ripped apart by the gutter press.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 2, 2016 23:20:51 GMT
Having thought about this a little: While us Brits often see the poppy as a token of commemoration for those who died in wars some other nations see it as a symbol of empirical oppression. FIFA have a very clear rule that states that political symbols are not allowed to be worn be players. Some people from some nations feel that the poppy is political, therefore it is.
If the poppy is allowed now perhaps in the future anti Jewish symbols could be worn by middle east nations. After all, some of their land was annexed and many people have died fighting their just cause.
Perhaps the FA should back down and accept the rules of the game. There's nothing to stop them organising a special armistice commemoration before the game. They could donate part or all of the money they receive from FIFA to a relevant worthy cause. Surely that would be better than attempting to make a stand as if Britain is a special case, as if no other countries have lost citizens fighting wars for a cause they believed in.
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Post by auntsally on Nov 2, 2016 23:25:08 GMT
I would agree with that, however, how come the Irish got away with displaying the date of the 1916 uprising on their shirts during a match against the Swiss? Is that not a political statement? Cant have a rule that doesn't apply to all.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 3, 2016 7:44:11 GMT
They probably got away with it because there wasn't the song and dance we're experiencing at the moment. Maybe there wasn't much thought given to it beforehand. If they displayed it having being told it wasn't OK they should have been kicked out of the competition, which is exactly what should happen to the British teams, if they deliberately break the rules. A fine means nothing, the FA is awash with money.
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Post by haggis on Nov 3, 2016 8:55:53 GMT
My view of Scottish and English players being allowed to wear poppies on the 11th if they wish is that the match is being played in the UK and no other country is involved so surely the customs of the UK should prevail. Ok the match will presumably be televised to other countries but surely a word of explanation of the meaning of the poppy in the UK could be made. There must be many emblems which have different meanings in different countries and we all just live with that. I am no football fan but I always wear a poppy with pride and think of those who gave their to life in past and present conflicts. I hope that FIFA will relent and allow the wearing of poppies at Wembley
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