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Post by The Lockie on Nov 2, 2016 14:00:51 GMT
30 years on ...whats to be gained!!! I view a Mr A Scargill and his over inflated ego for the demise of the UK coal industry...thats it. Stirred the pot.....whos bringing the popcorn?
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Post by peterboat on Nov 2, 2016 14:32:33 GMT
I said earlier nothing is to be gained from this matter, and worse we have an ongoing inquiry into child abuse in Rotherham, and I want nothing to detract from that, because most of the perpetrators are still out there uncaught. The coal will be there when and if we ever need it, although I think because of the latest court case about clean air the nail is in the coffin for coal fired power stations
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 2, 2016 15:32:45 GMT
Theresa May is a Conservative and is out to shaft 'those below her station'. Did no-one read what I put up about her husband's company not paying taxes? I consider Theresa May and her husband to be traitors to Britain. Another couple of slithery snakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 16:25:24 GMT
Wellington declined to get involved in discussion on what happened at Waterloo. He said trying to describe the sequence of events was like trying to describe what happened at a ball.
Everyone there will have their own story to tell. What they observed, did and thought is their own and no one else's experience will be the same.
I was there because I had to be, not because I wished to be.
It was a pre planned confrontation between both sides.
I was there several days, playing football and cricket and buying ice creams for the pickets at Orcott. It was peaceful, sunny and a laugh.
My family were miners. My brother was on strike from Barnburgh throughout.
I saw what happened that day. Like everyone else I can only describe my part in events. At times it felt like simply trying to survive.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 2, 2016 16:56:14 GMT
I was there. It was horrible but there were two in the fight, and fight it was. Rog Yes there were two in the fight. One side was fighting for their livelihood, community and way of life. The other was on overtime. Yes I remember reading at the time that Avon and Somerset Police, who were drafted in to help control the miners, Had a specially set-up division called "Avon and Somerset Police, Operation Miner". or ASPOM, and the police officers themselves used to say that this stood for "Arthur Scargill pays our mortgages".
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Post by flatdog on Nov 2, 2016 18:33:57 GMT
Woe is me, thats what this smacks of. (England expects) Move on, it's past history, it won't come back and most don't care anyway. No one got killed (luckily) though everyone misbehaved.
This is just outrage for outrages' sake.
Lets get the now defunct / depleted fishing industry to kick off or what about the poor down trodden Gypsy community or what about the poor Pakistan/Indian/Black communities we exploited.
Stop raking up the past or we REALLY will start reaping the benefit of our colonial past or earlier exploits!!!
IMHO politically correct governing is a clusterf**k.
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Post by The Lockie on Nov 2, 2016 21:46:05 GMT
Such a wonerfully descriptive profanity Clusterfuck, shame its an Americanism.Still one of my favourites for describing multiple failure.
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Post by auntsally on Nov 2, 2016 21:57:27 GMT
Such a wonerfully descriptive profanity Clusterfuck, shame its an Americanism.Still one of my favourites for describing multiple failure. I do like SNAFU....Situation normal all f***** up or FUBAR.......F***** up beyond all recognition. Both sayings from our American friends during WW2 I believe.
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Post by carlt on Nov 2, 2016 22:59:38 GMT
flatdog: "No one got killed" Er... yes... someone did get killed: "Taxi driver, David Wilkie, was killed on 30 November 1984 while driving a non-striking miner to Merthyr Vale Colliery, in South Wales." Miners David Jones and Joe Green also died on the picket lines.
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Post by flatdog on Nov 3, 2016 7:05:25 GMT
Deaths?
Fair enough, I was just quoting what had been said by May's aid in her announcement where SHE said no-one died.
Maybe she meant no-one died as a result of police violence, hence no inquest.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 3, 2016 10:23:00 GMT
No one died at orgreave when as dogless said an organised fight occurred, scargil wanted to be arrested and he was, people from allover came for a rumble it happened. Did it make one iota of difference except accelerating the pit closures no! No wonder scargil is vilified now.
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Post by bodger on Nov 3, 2016 13:29:02 GMT
why do nasty tyrants often have nasty sounding names?
Scargill Hitler PolPot Gadaffi
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Post by Albion on Nov 7, 2016 9:21:20 GMT
No one died at orgreave when as dogless said an organised fight occurred, scargil wanted to be arrested and he was, people from allover came for a rumble it happened. Did it make one iota of difference except accelerating the pit closures no! No wonder scargil is vilified now. It was very obvious in the TV footage of Scargill being led away by the Police saying things like 'Leave me alone', 'Take your hands off me' (not direct quotes necessarily) that he was very happy to be filmed being arrested and it all looked so staged. I don't think that all miners were happy being represented by a man like Scargill witness the subsequent split by the Nottinghamshire miners. Roger
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 7, 2016 10:07:05 GMT
I don't think that all miners were happy being represented by a man like Scargill witness the subsequent split by the Nottinghamshire miners. Roger As many of you know, I live in Nuneaton which is a mining town. I therefore know a lot of (now ex) miners. Not one of them liked, or was happy to be represented by, Scargill.
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Post by emma on Nov 7, 2016 13:43:40 GMT
My father was there, the miners do not have clean hands in this, people turned up to have a fight and a fight they got. My father did not like Scargill and did not support the strike as it did not have the backing of all the miners just the Yorkshire ones! Yes pits were going to be closed however all the mines surrounding orgreave were played out and every ton of coal produced cast more than it was worth. A lot if not the majority of the police on the lines were imported from other areas [our own bobby was still on the beat] and for a lot of the time the miners and police played football cricket even cards and all was peaceful. But on the day Arthur wanted to be arrested and he got his wish however to do that a lot of violence was planned and happened, who's fault is that? the miners who did it or the Police who had to stop it? Me this is better left to rest it will waste billions of pounds for nothing my father and most of the other miners that were there are dead, they for the most got early retirement and good pensions [dad had no need to work]. If you want to listen to a few bitter people do so but the media will always whip up something as Mrs May wont give them the details about Brexit so they are pissed off. People will come on here Like Carl he wasnt there so everything he knows is secondhand, my dad was and so was an ex who's husband was Scargills left hand man no good will come of this Tony believe me it will just dredge up things that are better left alone Shall we ignore what you say because it's secondhand? Or is this your usual hypocrisy?
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