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Post by kris on May 12, 2016 12:37:21 GMT
They have found a way to do the section 8 process that ensures they have all the cards in their favour, they remove part of the paperwork given to the defendent that allows them to defend the action, without these forms being presented to the court the defendent does not get a chance to speak at the court hearing , and in 10 minutes its over. Ask Tony Dunkley he beat them at this trick. Doesn't tactics like this just blow away any ideas that CRT are a nice happy smiley organisation? Yes that what I'm saying if Nbta publisied the tactics used, and asked why they don't use the other legal course of action open to them. They would be exposed for the tyrants they are. Tadworth I have spoken to tony on numerous occasions.
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Post by sabcat on May 12, 2016 12:47:35 GMT
Tony Dunkley's a hero of mine, he's either got massive balls or far too much time on his hands but either way he's exactly what the system needs. An obstinate bastard who won't just roll over and take CRT's shit.
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Post by kris on May 12, 2016 14:43:21 GMT
I just spoke to tony on the phone, I told him about thunderboat he says he will try to join later.
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Post by peterboat on May 12, 2016 15:08:03 GMT
I like Tony and I like Nigel as well
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Post by tadworth on May 13, 2016 13:03:45 GMT
CRT has no oversight from government, no effective ombudsman, they can employ a big corporate law firm using public money, and there is no penalty if they break their own bylaws, whereas the boater commits a criminal offence.
Nothing will improve for boaters unless these factors change first. All the cards are stacked in their favour and they know it.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 14:28:19 GMT
It's almost as if it was set up that way, so they can get away with selling off the property and making it into a theme park. First to get rid of those pesky livaboard boaters.
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Post by tadworth on May 13, 2016 22:33:21 GMT
I doubt they want to get rid of all livaboards, but I think they are trying to micromanage boating, the management all come from other sectors and can't cope with the idea of livaboards mooching around the canals doing what they want, they want to track them, charge them, and be in control of every boat. Notice how arrogant the management is about boaters ? Unfortunately the free and easy lifestyle is over in some respects, the canals are no longer a hidden away world with boaters lifestyles subsidised by government.
The main problem is the malicious way CRT are going about this, if it carries on there will be serious revenge carried out on CRT assets by disgruntled boaters.
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Post by peterboat on May 14, 2016 10:01:41 GMT
Or maybe they just want boaters to move every 14 days? we dont know what they want unless someone from CRT confirms all your conspiracy theories
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 12:10:01 GMT
Or maybe they just want boaters to move every 14 days? we dont know what they want unless someone from CRT confirms all your conspiracy theories Interesting you are hanging onto the 14 day rule. After all that is the law, as is allowing exceptions due to unforseen circumstances (or whatever the wording is). Personally I don't have a problem with that particular law as it would have been worse in the days where you had to have a home mooring. I also don't have a problem in principle to the concept of tucking oneself away in the middle of nowhere for as long as you like so long as you aren't causing problems to others. The main issue is about distance which is not defined in law. No conspiracy there. CRT have already admitted 20 miles is only an interpretation. Enjoying going up and down the same small stretch of canal is just as bona fide as travelling around the country. So I think CRT are pushing their luck with that (as is charging for tow path moorings with no facilities). I just hope the luck doesn't get pushed too far as most boaters are generally happy at the moment...well except for the grumpy ones who want their cake and eat it.
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Post by peterboat on May 14, 2016 13:27:19 GMT
Or maybe they just want boaters to move every 14 days? we dont know what they want unless someone from CRT confirms all your conspiracy theories Interesting you are hanging onto the 14 day rule. After all that is the law, as is allowing exceptions due to unforseen circumstances (or whatever the wording is). Personally I don't have a problem with that particular law as it would have been worse in the days where you had to have a home mooring. I also don't have a problem in principle to the concept of tucking oneself away in the middle of nowhere for as long as you like so long as you aren't causing problems to others. The main issue is about distance which is not defined in law. No conspiracy there. CRT have already admitted 20 miles is only an interpretation. Enjoying going up and down the same small stretch of canal is just as bona fide as travelling around the country. So I think CRT are pushing their luck with that (as is charging for tow path moorings with no facilities). I just hope the luck doesn't get pushed too far as most boaters are generally happy at the moment...well except for the grumpy ones who want their cake and eat it. I agree with you except for the staying forever in the countryside because someone will complain! and it should be onward travel and the 20 miles a year should stick. My reasoning is move half a mile every two weeks is nothing end of year return doing same, however if more boats appear doing same you will have problems, villages of boats which then will give rise to complaints. Up here we dont have the same problems because we dont have as many boats as down south [according to the survey]
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 15:10:26 GMT
Interesting you are hanging onto the 14 day rule. After all that is the law, as is allowing exceptions due to unforseen circumstances (or whatever the wording is). Personally I don't have a problem with that particular law as it would have been worse in the days where you had to have a home mooring. I also don't have a problem in principle to the concept of tucking oneself away in the middle of nowhere for as long as you like so long as you aren't causing problems to others. The main issue is about distance which is not defined in law. No conspiracy there. CRT have already admitted 20 miles is only an interpretation. Enjoying going up and down the same small stretch of canal is just as bona fide as travelling around the country. So I think CRT are pushing their luck with that (as is charging for tow path moorings with no facilities). I just hope the luck doesn't get pushed too far as most boaters are generally happy at the moment...well except for the grumpy ones who want their cake and eat it. I agree with you except for the staying forever in the countryside because someone will complain! and it should be onward travel and the 20 miles a year should stick. My reasoning is move half a mile every two weeks is nothing end of year return doing same, however if more boats appear doing same you will have problems, villages of boats which then will give rise to complaints. Up here we dont have the same problems because we dont have as many boats as down south [according to the survey] Peter I agree with you about the countryside but wouldn't it be nice in the height of summer,when your in the middle of nowhere and have no previous enforcement issues,to have an extra week,wouldn't it be good to know you have that kind of relationship with CRT ?
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