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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 8, 2016 18:40:44 GMT
OK, this poll can run for this evening only, we will know the result tomorrow, so place your bets, who is going to win?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 18:50:34 GMT
I don't know but one thing I do know is that no matter who wins I will feel exactly the same as I did after the Brexit vote. It will be an oh shit moment
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 8, 2016 18:58:33 GMT
It's like asking "Do you prefer having a tooth pulled or a proctological examination?"
However, to answer your question, I think Hilary will get it.
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Post by bettina on Nov 8, 2016 19:04:15 GMT
I don't know but one thing I do know is that no matter who wins I will feel exactly the same as I did after the Brexit vote. It will be an oh shit momentThat will last for at least 4 years my bold ^^^
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 8, 2016 19:10:33 GMT
I heard Donald on the radio today and thought "Thick as shit!". Does he have any qualifications from school? The alternative is a bitter, lying old hag. It must be embarrassing to be a US citizen right now - I bet they are all doing that old trick and saying they are 'Canadians' when travelling abroad.
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Post by PaulG2 on Nov 8, 2016 19:36:18 GMT
Aggregate polling analysis shows Hillary with a 98% chance of victory vs Trump 1.8%, just in case anyone is putting any money on this race. We have "early voting" in many states here, and early voter turnout has been in record breaking numbers, and mostly favors democrats. Hillary is pretty much a shoo-in. What is just as important in this election, if not more so, are the down-ballot races for the House and Senate. Republicans have this country so terribly gerrymandered that they will probably keep the House, but the Senate is up for grabs and there's a 75% (or so) percent chance it will flip to democratic control.
I'm not a big Hillary fan, but I will be proud to finally be able to say "Madam President", and I'll be proud to have her representing my country - so long as she doesn't start any wars.
Look, Margaret Thatcher wasn't exactly Little Miss Sunshine, and many of her policies were deplorable, but she never brought any shame on your country. I see no reason to think Hillary is any worse than Thatcher. Hillary is demonized because republicans have spent the last 30 years demonizing her. But she has come through every investigation they can throw at her and she has never been proven to have done any wrong beyond normal human failings, like her judgement about her email. (To put things in perspective, though, three of the last four republican presidential candidates didn't even know how to use email when they ran for President.)
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Post by cuthound on Nov 8, 2016 19:59:44 GMT
It's like asking "Do you prefer having a tooth pulled or a proctological examination?" However, to answer your question, I think Hilary will get it. Excellent example. π I tink Hillary will take it, but really who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 20:56:37 GMT
Michael Moore made an interesting point.
He suggested to the American people, that of the 17 plus million Brits who voted ' out' upto 4 million had signed a peition asking for a re-run. He suggested a large portion of the 'out' voters were, in truth, actually making a protest against the establishment, and professional politicians, which he fully understood and sympathised with.
He pleaded for Americans not to go the same route by using Trump as a protest vote. He understood the desire to do so but wished to remind everyone that such a result would have irreversible consequences, as the Brit protest voters have discovered.
Interesting viewpoint.
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 8, 2016 21:07:47 GMT
Michael Moore made an interesting point. He suggested to the American people, that of the 17 plus million Brits who voted ' out' upto 4 million had signed a peition asking for a re-run. He suggested a large portion of the 'out' voters were, in truth, actually making a protest against the establishment, and professional politicians, which he fully understood and sympathised with. He pleaded for Americans not to go the same route by using Trump as a protest vote. He understood the desire to do so but wished to remind everyone that such a result would have irreversible consequences, as the Brit protest voters have discovered. Interesting viewpoint. Rog Interesting yes, but I doubt its accuracy. 4m didn't actually want out? Where does he get that figure from?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 8, 2016 21:07:50 GMT
Aggregate polling analysis shows Hillary with a 98% chance of victory vs Trump 1.8%, just in case anyone is putting any money on this race. We had the same sentiment on the eve of the Brexit vote, but I remember coming down for my first cup of coffee the following morning and my girlfriend saying "We've won... we're out!" I haven't voted yet but I think Donald Trump will win. I'll eat my slice of Humble Pie in the morning if I'm wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:22:13 GMT
Michael Moore made an interesting point. He suggested to the American people, that of the 17 plus million Brits who voted ' out' upto 4 million had signed a peition asking for a re-run. He suggested a large portion of the 'out' voters were, in truth, actually making a protest against the establishment, and professional politicians, which he fully understood and sympathised with. He pleaded for Americans not to go the same route by using Trump as a protest vote. He understood the desire to do so but wished to remind everyone that such a result would have irreversible consequences, as the Brit protest voters have discovered. Interesting viewpoint. Rog Interesting yes, but I doubt its accuracy. 4m didn't actually want out? Where does he get that figure from? Apparently there was an online petition within two weeks of the referendum asking for a second vote. It was signed by over 4 million. He was I think, suggesting that some portion (upto 4 million) were out voters, who now regretted their decision. Rog
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 8, 2016 21:24:21 GMT
Interesting yes, but I doubt its accuracy. 4m didn't actually want out? Where does he get that figure from? Apparently there was an online petition within two weeks of the referendum asking for a second vote. It was signed by over 4 million. He was I think, suggesting that some portion (upto 4 million) were out voters, who now regretted their decision. Rog Ahh yes, I remember that petition. As far as I was aware it was 100% comprised of remoaners.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:37:46 GMT
I thought it was interesting that Michael Moore was using our experience with Brexit to try and disuade Americans from a Trump vote as a form of protest.
It was thought provoking to see our experience through an Americans eyes.
I have also spoken to many who voted out, who genuinely had no thought that an out majority would be possible.
Moore's point about a protest vote, I feel does have some validity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:53:33 GMT
I think some in this poll are not voting for who they think will actually win (which was the question) but rather who they want to win.
Two different things.
I voted Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 22:05:36 GMT
Clinton.
Rog
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