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Post by bills on Mar 13, 2017 11:13:13 GMT
I'm not sure if you are allowed to say that.
Better to call it a differently propelled barge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:19:43 GMT
What about fat ugly dumb barge?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:22:34 GMT
A well setup Bantam push tug and a regents canal barge would be quite nice (down south). I've been on the Bantam "ILDA" She's got a 90hp Cummins and a 4 blade prop - pulls like a train
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Post by bills on Mar 13, 2017 11:24:46 GMT
It's safer just to say Diane Abbott.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 13, 2017 12:00:44 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread Peter. It's all very interesting. I must admit I have thought about having a tug and a dumb barge set up. It's not a bad idea, only for you on the L & L you'll be fairly limited in size, but still if the pusher is about 6m you'll have a good 12m left for your barge, which if it's specially made for the job doesn't need a big front and rear deck, as long as there's enough room for safe rope handling, and anchor gear.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2017 13:01:25 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread Peter. It's all very interesting. I must admit I have thought about having a tug and a dumb barge set up. It's not a bad idea, only for you on the L & L you'll be fairly limited in size, but still if the pusher is about 6m you'll have a good 12m left for your barge, which if it's specially made for the job doesn't need a big front and rear deck, as long as there's enough room for safe rope handling, and anchor gear.
Peter.
ill be moving off the Leeds and Liverpool this year,down onto the Trent so even more choice over the length. Although what ever boat I get ideally it would be able to cross the Pennines on the L@L. It's such a beatiful part of the world id miss not being able to visit.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2017 13:08:32 GMT
A well setup Bantam push tug and a regents canal barge would be quite nice (down south). I've been on the Bantam "ILDA" She's got a 90hp Cummins and a 4 blade prop - pulls like a train i wouldn't really want a bantam they tend to be hard work when not attached to anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread Peter. It's all very interesting. I must admit I have thought about having a tug and a dumb barge set up. It's not a bad idea, only for you on the L & L you'll be fairly limited in size, but still if the pusher is about 6m you'll have a good 12m left for your barge, which if it's specially made for the job doesn't need a big front and rear deck, as long as there's enough room for safe rope handling, and anchor gear.
Peter.
The dumb barge could be full size you just manually handle the barge then lock the tug through after it like with motor and butty narrow boats but reverse operation as it would be a pusher unit. I know a full size L&L barge is quite heavy to manhandle and bowhaul but its doable
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 13:21:54 GMT
A well setup Bantam push tug and a regents canal barge would be quite nice (down south). I've been on the Bantam "ILDA" She's got a 90hp Cummins and a 4 blade prop - pulls like a train i wouldn't really want a bantam they tend to be hard work when not attached to anything. I suppose a dock tug like the small Thames Toshers would be pretty good if it had a bow modifications to allow pushing. They seem to be nice boats by themselves.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2017 13:30:20 GMT
i wouldn't really want a bantam they tend to be hard work when not attached to anything. I suppose a dock tug like the small Thames Toshers would be pretty good if it had a bow modifications to allow pushing. They seem to be nice boats by themselves. exactly the idea would be to have a nice tug. With a stove and basic galley etc.
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Post by bargemast on Mar 13, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
It's not a bad idea, only for you on the L & L you'll be fairly limited in size, but still if the pusher is about 6m you'll have a good 12m left for your barge, which if it's specially made for the job doesn't need a big front and rear deck, as long as there's enough room for safe rope handling, and anchor gear.
Peter.
The dumb barge could be full size you just manually handle the barge then lock the tug through after it like with motor and butty narrow boats but reverse operation as it would be a pusher unit. I know a full size L&L barge is quite heavy to manhandle and bowhaul but its doable Many things are doable, but it really becomes a pain if you are singlehandedly operating, as it will take a lot of effort to bowhaul the barge out of the lock, tie it up, reset the lock for the pusher/tug, lock that through and reconnect for the stretch until the next lock.
If there's a long distance inbetween the locks, or if you have a strong crew, it will be a bit easier, but it won't be fun, but as you say, it's doable (if you have to).
Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2017 17:12:46 GMT
whenever I see people posting about "small tugs" the thought "opduwer" comes to mind ............I then get slightly glazed eyes, and mutter to myself "one day" !!!
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Post by bargemast on Mar 13, 2017 17:40:38 GMT
whenever I see people posting about "small tugs" the thought "opduwer" comes to mind ............I then get slightly glazed eyes, and mutter to myself "one day" !!! Yes John, there are some very pretty ones around, during the year there are always a couple of Tugboat Meetings in different towns in the Netherlands where you can rinse your eyes.
I've had 2 of these about 40 years ago, and often regret that I have to say "had" now, instead of "have", as I loved them and made some good money towing or pushing Amsterdam houseboats to boatyards and back to their moorings after the work was done.
Some other good memories.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
whenever I see people posting about "small tugs" the thought "opduwer" comes to mind ............I then get slightly glazed eyes, and mutter to myself "one day" !!! They are very nice Another option, which was what the opduwer lead up to, is to simply put a modern power unit (aka diesel engine) in the barge itself. that way one only has a single vessel to deal with. Seems like a sensible way to do things.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2017 18:59:53 GMT
whenever I see people posting about "small tugs" the thought "opduwer" comes to mind ............I then get slightly glazed eyes, and mutter to myself "one day" !!! They are very nice Another option, which was what the opduwer lead up to, is to simply put a modern power unit (aka diesel engine) in the barge itself. that way one only has a single vessel to deal with. Seems like a sensible way to do things. since when has owning a boat been sensible.
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