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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:26:01 GMT
To be fair they do have a 'Train attendant' I go on the DLR very regularly with my small children. Obviously I am safety conscious (5 and 7 years old). Yes there is a train operator but he/she can open and close the doors from anywhere on the train as there are controls by each set of doors. DLR travels slowly. Platforms are straight and the same height as the carriages with no gap to fall in so very safe boarding. They also have some sort of automatic train protection system which means collision can not occur (I assume this is by the train in front switching the power rail at a certain distance to allow the train behind to start moving). Suburban lines such as southern are completely different technology. Its all about money. Obviously. If the system was modernised (trains and platforms) then it should be feasible to have a single train operator on board but at the moment it doesn't seem to be ready. would be a shame if someone causes a boarding accident to make a point but it seems quite a heated topic so I could see it happening.
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Post by Gone on Mar 13, 2017 18:34:15 GMT
I have never got off a train carriage when the guard was around, so whilst it sounds good I am not sure what they do to help passengers. The drivers all have TV cameras and monitors so they can see that all is clear they don't look into the distance trying to see the end of the train. The underground manages just fine, and it is often so packed that should there be a medical emergency the guard would not be able to get along the train.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:18:10 GMT
I have never got off a train carriage when the guard was around, so whilst it sounds good I am not sure what they do to help passengers. The drivers all have TV cameras and monitors so they can see that all is clear they don't look into the distance trying to see the end of the train. The underground manages just fine, and it is often so packed that should there be a medical emergency the guard would not be able to get along the train. At busy times the London Underground has an attendant on the platform - it may be a driver only train but in terms of passenger safety there is someone else about. Come to think of it I think its the same with Southern theres a bloke with a whistle (how quaint).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:24:57 GMT
Anyway I think rail discontent is a deliberate policy to help prop up London property prices. In the 21st century it is definitely possible to have a reliable, sensibly priced modern rail system to get people in and out of a major city. But. then people would move out to where there is some air and commute on this nice modern railway leading to a property crash in the city. So you have to ensure that the suburban lines are pretty rubbish or the shit hits the fan.
Is that too ridiculous.
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Post by kris on Mar 13, 2017 19:29:53 GMT
And what have "The Bloody Romans" ever done for us Reg? nettles
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Post by Gone on Mar 13, 2017 19:36:06 GMT
I have been to Japan a number of times for work, and though their train system around Tokyo runs exactly to time, is clean and in good repair the Japanese all greatly dislike using it at busy times as it is just so packed. The problem is the better you make the commuter trains the more they get used, so will always be horrible to use. The only way is NOT MORE trains/buses/roads etc but move the jobs out of London into the regions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:39:54 GMT
You really should stop reading the Daily Mail Foxy. Rog
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2017 21:35:39 GMT
(snip) Yet the British government is happy to introduce trains that are operated by only the driver, who cannot see in his mirrors round bends in platforms (and anyway, if it's a long train, that's a bloody long way to be observant) and certainly cannot help the disabled to board/leave trains, and cannot keep an eye on the general situation, nor indeed apply First Aid if a passenger becomes ill. Neither can the conductor, in some cases. Many trains I travel on have a conductor, who is never seen, except for door opening/closing duties. Any First Aid incident would have to be dealt with by speaking to the driver initially. Disabled access usually requires station staff to assist. (I'd quite like to try an experiment, having a wheelchair passenger waiting on the platform at our local (unmanned) station.) I cannot help but think Theresa May's government is incompetent if it cannot get this simple issue resolved before even the word 'strike' entered into the equation. The dispute is between train operators and Unions. Despite the rhetoric, it seems more about protecting RMT member numbers than safety Not incompetent actually, but doing this deliberately to the people the Conservatives regard as common scum. The fox-hunting toffs on their horses go to work by chauffeur-driven Jaguar, or Range Rover at the minimum. Some quite highly paid w bankers, company executive types, and fox hunting toffs commute by train. In any case, the common scum can't afford the season tickets.
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Post by jam on Mar 13, 2017 23:41:43 GMT
It should also be pointed out that most (if not all) UK tram systems are driver operated only and some of the trams are doubled up making them as long as most local commuter trains, this with street running as well.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 14, 2017 0:24:49 GMT
(snip) Yet the British government is happy to introduce trains that are operated by only the driver, who cannot see in his mirrors round bends in platforms (and anyway, if it's a long train, that's a bloody long way to be observant) and certainly cannot help the disabled to board/leave trains, and cannot keep an eye on the general situation, nor indeed apply First Aid if a passenger becomes ill. Neither can the conductor, in some cases. Many trains I travel on have a conductor, who is never seen, except for door opening/closing duties. Any First Aid incident would have to be dealt with by speaking to the driver initially. Disabled access usually requires station staff to assist. (I'd quite like to try an experiment, having a wheelchair passenger waiting on the platform at our local (unmanned) station.) I cannot help but think Theresa May's government is incompetent if it cannot get this simple issue resolved before even the word 'strike' entered into the equation. The dispute is between train operators and Unions. Despite the rhetoric, it seems more about protecting RMT member numbers than safety Not incompetent actually, but doing this deliberately to the people the Conservatives regard as common scum. The fox-hunting toffs on their horses go to work by chauffeur-driven Jaguar, or Range Rover at the minimum. Some quite highly paid w bankers, company executive types, and fox hunting toffs commute by train. In any case, the common scum can't afford the season tickets.I was going to snip it, but it's hard on the phone. I was going to mention the same. There are more unmanned stations than there are manned ones. It will upset many people when they can't get their wheelchairs off.
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2017 7:40:23 GMT
And what have "The Bloody Romans" ever done for us Reg? Rabbits
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 7:45:59 GMT
And what have "The Bloody Romans" ever done for us Reg? Rabbits I'm not that keen on rabbits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 7:58:17 GMT
I'm not that keen on rabbits. They are cracking in a stew.
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Post by Saltysplash on Mar 14, 2017 8:14:19 GMT
Hello Rabbit Leader - thought you might come in from the sun!
: DON'T THINK! Don't just glance! LOOK! Search for the b*stards! OK, let's try it again.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:31:14 GMT
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