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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 22:11:50 GMT
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Post by tecka on Mar 21, 2017 22:20:26 GMT
I concur, but also am a relative of a certain OConnell so realise that attitudes can change... |
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Post by phil70 on Mar 21, 2017 22:32:51 GMT
Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist or so I am led to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 22:38:31 GMT
Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist or so I am led to believe. Phil Indeed. I did wonder when that comparison would come up. but what difference does it actually make? |
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Post by phil70 on Mar 21, 2017 22:50:53 GMT
Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist or so I am led to believe. Phil Indeed. I did wonder when that comparison would come up. but what difference does it actually make? Just throws up the thought that many things change with the passing years. Phil |
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Post by JohnV on Mar 21, 2017 22:59:25 GMT
Nelson Mandela was also a terrorist or so I am led to believe. Phil Indeed. I did wonder when that comparison would come up. but what difference does it actually make? we might know how someone started off, we might know how they end. Balancing the scales is beyond me, so I will keep my own council |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 23:08:42 GMT
Indeed. I did wonder when that comparison would come up. but what difference does it actually make? we might know how someone started off, we might know how they end. Balancing the scales is beyond me, so I will keep my own council Deep......but I have no idea what the latter bit means.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 23:48:07 GMT
we might know how someone started off, we might know how they end.  Balancing the scales is beyond me, so I will keep my own council Deep......but I have no idea what the latter bit means.. I think John means it's not for us to judge. Something we all seem to think we are good at. The trouble is that it's very difficuit to put ourselves in the position of people like that. For example, how different wouid our lives have been if someone close to us was murdered early on in our lives. I doubt I would have been the same. |
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2017 0:10:16 GMT
It depends on whether you consider it to have been a civil war. Do you go around grudging any Germans still living from WW2? Hopefully not. Plenty of IRA types killed, and plenty were killed. At some point you have to get over it. Not getting over it doesn't make anything better, it only makes things worse.
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Post by patty on Mar 22, 2017 6:53:44 GMT
I cannot imagine what it must have been like living in those times.
All those murders, men killed sometimes in front of families used to haunt me...the way some of them died was terrible.
These families lived with the impact of having their lives torn apart by violence.
I didn't know at the time what to make of him...and I still don't..it is beyond my understanding of what is right and wrong to comprehend past terrorists being able to switch tactics and seemingly moving into other arenas where they are accepted.
I think of the way some of our forces personnel have been hounded for supposed actions against our enemies...somehow nothing seems balanced in this world. it depends who you are and who you know as to whether you are held accountable. I went to the Court of Justice last week to hear the appeal judgement on marine A...I sat with all the old boys and just listened to their views on justice...the military and their perceptions of top brass. Sometimes I just have to be there to listen and form my own opinion.
At least with him death it's perhaps closure for some descendants of those murdered.
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Post by bodger on Mar 22, 2017 8:51:45 GMT
Deep......but I have no idea what the latter bit means.. I think John means it's not for us to judge. Something we all seem to think we are good at. The trouble is that it's very difficuit to put ourselves in the position of people like that. For example, how different wouid our lives have been if someone close to us was murdered early on in our lives. I doubt I would have been the same. ........... and none of us know what was really in his heart (no pun intended) in the later, more peaceful, part of his life. Was he a scheming crafty manipulator all his life, or just a boy who grew up with the romance of the IRA and much later realised it was a terrible waste of effort, resources and lives? When I was young I had no knowledge of Ireland but I remember the romance of singing Irish rebel songs in the University union bar in Dundee. We had no idea that the 'Troubles' would raise its head again within 10 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:37:44 GMT
It's ok, Gerry Adams has reassured us today that at mcguiness' funeral he actually wasn't a terrorist he was a 'freedom fighter'.
Thanks for putting us straight Gerry.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 7:51:06 GMT
I think it was courageous to have steered the IRA to peace. Many in the IRA must have thought him a traitor. I was amazed that he and Ian Paisley could negotiate as each had been so set in his ways. The victims can never forgive him but how many more would have died if the Troubles had continued? Ironically, it was the EU that pulled the two countries together (North and South). I think the differences between the communities seemed to lessen. It also happened at a time the Church lost its influence to some extent.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 26, 2017 19:51:20 GMT
Late to this just glad the murdering bastard is dead! plenty of soldiers died because of him just hope its uncomfy where he has gone and that plenty of souls can kneecap him with an electric drill often!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 20:06:02 GMT
If you believe in hell and eternal damnation why do you not believe in forgiveness?
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