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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 7:28:08 GMT
I don't agree with the death penalty for anybody. Not for Myra Hindley, not for Saddam Hussein, not for Ian Huntley, not for anybody. Not only because it is an abuse for the State to override the rule of nature but also, rather contrarily I suppose, because I don't believe it to be as great a punishment as life imprisonment. As for Arkansas, if they are really that intent on the death penalty then they can always return to the electric chair. The whole reason they don't want to is that it shows all too graphically what they are doing, which is not some medical procedure. Not even those that look at You and The Lad 'wrong'? I am pleasantly surprised by your stance. There's a world of difference between an individual defending themselves and loved ones from an ongoing unprovoked attack, and the state arranging to terminate an individual's life on such and such a day and time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 7:37:19 GMT
Yes, actually I would agree with that. I don't support the idea of a compulsory death sentence, but I do believe that prisoners convicted of serious crimes should be allowed to volunteer for it. I saw a video last night where a man being led to Court for the sexual attack of a young girl and then burning the house down with girl and parents inside alive at the time - suddenly decides to jump over the balcony 4 floors up. Quite voluntarily. A pity, really, as there "may have been some good in him". When you hear freinds, neughbours and relatives of these nutters sometimes being interviewed, you often hear them say things like..."what a nice chap he seemed" or "can't believe he would do such a thing". These are people who have a better knowledge of the nutter than someone reading about it in a newspaper. Also, how often have we done something stupid and out of character? (hopefully not this bad) As I said, we are all influenced by this crazy system and people can be brainwashed, paid or threatened to perform criminal acts. Most of us are able to control our emotions and drives, but it seems not everyone. That's why ee have a penal system. So yes, there may well be a little bit of good in everyone trying to get out.
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Post by bodger on Apr 12, 2017 7:50:19 GMT
if we paid half as much attention to the victims and their families as we do to the perceived 'rights' of a convicted murderer (whether he is actually guilty or not) then the world would be a better place.
if the State made an occasional mistake in convicting and executing an innocent person, as opposed to dozens of murderers getting away with it for technical-legal reasons, I would not be too unhappy.
anyone who has lived through all the post WW2 years will confirm that our society has become less respectful at all levels of the law and of others' rights, from shoplifting and fly-tipping up to murder and GBH, despite the PC initiatives pushing yuman rites through the meedya day in, day out. Our society is set to go the way of the Roman Empire because we (at all levels) don't stand up to evil doers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 7:51:43 GMT
Not even those that look at You and The Lad 'wrong'? I am pleasantly surprised by your stance. There's a world of difference between an individual defending themselves and loved ones from an ongoing unprovoked attack, and the state arranging to terminate an individual's life on such and such a day and time. Yes, death by commitee must be the worse thing imaginable! What I find difficult about all this judgement after the event, is that in the heat of the moment you don't get the luxury to weigh up all of the options before potentially killing someone in self defence. Surely the empathis is on the attacker to realise that if he jumps onto a boat in a threatening way with a weapon, he could get killed in self defence. There might be some good in him somewhere, but maybe he should have listened to it before jumping on the boat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 8:01:41 GMT
if we paid half as much attention to the victims and their families as we do to the perceived 'rights' of a convicted murderer (whether he is actually guilty or not) then the world would be a better place. if the State made an occasional mistake in convicting and executing an innocent person, as opposed to dozens of murderers getting away with it for technical-legal reasons, I would not be too unhappy. anyone who has lived through all the post WW2 years will confirm that our society has become less respectful at all levels of the law and of others' rights, from shoplifting and fly-tipping up to murder and GBH, despite the PC initiatives pushing yuman rites through the meedya day in, day out. Our society is set to go the way of the Roman Empire because we (at all levels) don't stand up to evil doers. ...or is it listening to modern day media coverage which gives us that impression? One thing is for sure, you don't often hear the good news.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 8:02:51 GMT
There's a world of difference between an individual defending themselves and loved ones from an ongoing unprovoked attack, and the state arranging to terminate an individual's life on such and such a day and time. Yes, death by commitee must be the worse thing imaginable! Caryl Chessman uttered one of the more memorable death row quotes before he was gassed in California when he said "I don't mind dying, I just don't like being told when".
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Post by canaldweller on Apr 12, 2017 9:47:08 GMT
Perhaps we should allow people to choose? Execution verses 25 years in jail? Yes, actually I would agree with that. I don't support the idea of a compulsory death sentence, but I do believe that prisoners convicted of serious crimes should be allowed to volunteer for it. Well I don't think so. I suspect that not many murderers gave they're victims any choice.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2017 10:41:44 GMT
I agree with Canaldweller and Badger.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 12, 2017 12:10:53 GMT
if the State made an occasional mistake in convicting and executing an innocent person, as opposed to dozens of murderers getting away with it for technical-legal reasons, I would not be too unhappy. It was primarily exactly that which led to its abolition in the UK.
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Post by bodger on Apr 12, 2017 12:14:09 GMT
I agree with Canaldweller and Badger. can you buy reading glasses in Finland? I suppose I could change my username to Fudger - on second thoughts that may have other connotations. Hey, how about Bodger, that has a certain ring to it? Damn, I suppose the simple word 'ring' will draw out certain trollish connotations. How about I change my name to Badger - can you fuck about with that?
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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 12, 2017 14:04:23 GMT
I suppose it is possible that there is some good in scum bags, The question is how long does society have to suffer before that good comes out
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2017 14:35:17 GMT
I suppose it is possible that there is some good in scum bags. Yes. They can be turned into cat food. Or fertiliser.
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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 12, 2017 15:00:20 GMT
I've never understood why the yanks mess about so much with their executions, Its so simple and cheap to make em dance a Jig at the end of a yard arm or to be despatched by a single bullet.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 12, 2017 15:04:30 GMT
I don't get this lack of drugs thing. If the one they use isn't available there must be dozens of alternatives, surely? Hell, I'm sure some 'brainstorming' by a 'focus group' could come up with dozens of methods that would be acceptable and 'humane'.
My own contribution, if I were part of the group, would be to simply connect the exhaust from one of the gas guzzlers they drive over there, via a hosepipe, to the cell of the perp. No writhing in agony to upset those observing, the perp would simply pass away in his or her sleep. Only a couple of dollars for fuel. What's not to like?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 15:07:47 GMT
I've never understood why the yanks mess about so much with their executions, Its so simple and cheap to make em dance a Jig at the end of a yard arm or to be despatched by a single bullet. Maybe they see torture (by any other name) being more 'satisfying' for the victims than instant death? After all it wasn't that long ago there were public floggings. Do they still do it in some countries? Maybe the victims should be able to choose the punishment.
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