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Post by lollygagger on Apr 17, 2017 9:29:24 GMT
Countries North Korea has started a war with in the last 60 years= Zero. Countries the USA has started a war with in the last 60 years= Well, there's the Korean war, then Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, then Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Kosova, then Iraq again, then there's Lebanon, Haiti, Bosnia, Libya ... I'm sure I've forgotten one or two. There is a reason for that. The USA are bigger than North Korea. The USA (as much as I have my reservations) is a place where the majority still have some say in what happens. North Korea (however)...NOT! If that were true you could also say the majority of us lot were behind attacking Iraq. Nonsense.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 17, 2017 9:48:58 GMT
The USA (as much as I have my reservations) is a place where the majority still have some say in what happens. .................. are you implying that a majority of Americans were in favour of ANY of those wars? Although I was answering your post some of this is for Snotty's education........... I suspect that with the Korean war, possibly ..... remember it was a UN force and 16 nations provided fighting forces for the UN and in addition Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Italy and India all supplied field hospitals, ambulances and medical personnel.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 17, 2017 10:16:10 GMT
Although I was answering your post some of this is for Snotty's education........... I suspect that with the Korean war, possibly ..... remember it was a UN force and 16 nations provided fighting forces for the UN and in addition Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Italy and India all supplied field hospitals, ambulances and medical personnel. Another poxy proxy war that ended in stalemate and has been stuck there ever since. I'm ashamed of being guilty by association whenever some small countries are encouraged and supported to scrap it out. Sickening. Our own armed forces have been in active service every year somewhere around the world for something like 150 years and we also manage to make a lot of money from it or we wouldn't be doing it. "Protecting British interests" is the glib coverall in the small print every time.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 17, 2017 11:57:28 GMT
Although I was answering your post some of this is for Snotty's education........... I suspect that with the Korean war, possibly ..... remember it was a UN force and 16 nations provided fighting forces for the UN and in addition Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Italy and India all supplied field hospitals, ambulances and medical personnel. Another poxy proxy war that ended in stalemate and has been stuck there ever since. I'm ashamed of being guilty by association whenever some small countries are encouraged and supported to scrap it out. Sickening. Our own armed forces have been in active service every year somewhere around the world for something like 150 years and we also manage to make a lot of money from it or we wouldn't be doing it. "Protecting British interests" is the glib coverall in the small print every time. Proxy war ? you really ought to do some historical research before you utter such rubbish
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 17, 2017 13:21:59 GMT
Another poxy proxy war that ended in stalemate and has been stuck there ever since. I'm ashamed of being guilty by association whenever some small countries are encouraged and supported to scrap it out. Sickening. Our own armed forces have been in active service every year somewhere around the world for something like 150 years and we also manage to make a lot of money from it or we wouldn't be doing it. "Protecting British interests" is the glib coverall in the small print every time. Proxy war ? you really ought to do some historical research before you utter such rubbish NK backed by the Soviets and China V SK backed by the West? Both sides supplied by their backers. A proxy war. Is there any need to be so rude?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:06:13 GMT
I reckon if NK just shut the fuck up, rest of the world would just continue and ignore them, but oh no Kim has to keep shooting his mouth off and in effect keep offering the whole world out. If he kept his head down nobody would take any notice of NK. Phil Why not just target the fat man with the toffee-apple haircut, then? Why should all the other innocent North Koreans get toasted with a nuke? Can we really not get ONE twerp? But then..... do we really know what the game is? (Nope).
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:08:31 GMT
Apparently the Yanks may have had a hand in it's failure -cyber attack. Someone's been reading The Daily Mail, heh, heh, heh! (and several more hehs)
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:10:12 GMT
Their missile test fucked up anyway. Apparently the Yanks may have had a hand in it's failure -cyber attack. even if they didn't its good publicity to let people think you have the capability. Very astute - you've been going through that book of yours again, haven't you? (Sun Tzu: The Art of War)
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:13:45 GMT
absolutely. NK feels it is a corner and the big wide world is threatening them. How does one expect them to react? Albania used to be in a similar position and their mad dictator had the farmers building pill boxes facing the sea to repel the perceived American invaders. Exactly this is the same as our very own Kim Young ill, of the waterways Mr snot gobbler. There he is stranded on his boat feeling threatened by scrotes. What does he do? he threatens violence to protect himself and his own. Yeah, but he only waved his knife at them, he didn't really let on that he has a nuke on board and he could have obliterated all of Newton Heath if he had wanted to. And part of Oldham.
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Post by kris on Apr 17, 2017 15:13:55 GMT
even if they didn't its good publicity to let people think you have the capability. Very astute - you've been going through that book of yours again, haven't you? (Sun Tzu: The Art of War) i live by it
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Post by JohnV on Apr 17, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
North Korea attacked South Korea. Flat out ...... 75,000 troops crossed the border. There were NO Western troops in SK at the time
South Korea came into the American zone of influence and the North into the USSR's sphere because there was no clear legitimate government in waiting. Korea had been a ruled by Japan since 1910 and after that length of time there were two groups, those that had fought with the Communist Chinese against Japan and those with the Nationalists and the Allies against Japan.
After the war (as in Europe with Germany) Russia became responsible for the North. The division being the 38th parallel as this had historical significance (Japan had offered the northern part to Tsarist Russia who had turned the offer down)
The division of the the two areas of Korea was meant to be temporary until a joint government could be formed.
America was very busy dealing with Japan after the war and was not interested in the extra load of Korea and persuaded the United Nations to take responsibility for the divided country.
(Incidentally Russia only declared war on Japan three days after the dropping of the Hiroshima bomb when they were sure that they were beaten, so as to get a seat at the table.)
So you see although this might have been Uncle Joe's opening shot in the cold war it started as an attack on UN controlled territory
It is a much more complicated scenario than you are trying to make out and to just say "Oh it's another poxy proxy war from those war hungry Americans" Is, as I said, Rubbish
The security council of the UN on the 25th of June recognised this as an invasion and demanded a cease fire. On the 27th the UN sanctioned the raising of an international force and 21 nations contributed to it (Incidentally Turkey had greater casualties than Britain did in the Korean war).
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:16:02 GMT
I hate the way Russians don't smile. That's because their rations include a small bar of Cadbury's chocolate which is Made in Poland by Kraft who have come up with the fancy name 'Mondelez' for their confectionary department. They are sad for the loss of jobs in Birmingham.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:17:01 GMT
I hate the way Russians don't smile. Maybe Russian diplomats on TV don't smile, but there was always plenty of smiling and laughter in ordinary Russian folks' apartments, sat around the kitchen table sharing a bottle or two of vodka in my time there. (I've met Russians and have been impressed by their behaviour, it really puts us Brits to shame)
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2017 15:18:00 GMT
Countries North Korea has started a war with in the last 60 years= Zero. Countries the USA has started a war with in the last 60 years= Well, there's the Korean war, then Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, then Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Kosova, then Iraq again, then there's Lebanon, Haiti, Bosnia, Libya ... I'm sure I've forgotten one or two. Putting all the workers at Birmingham Cadbury's on the dole?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:25:44 GMT
The USA (as much as I have my reservations) is a place where the majority still have some say in what happens. .................. are you implying that a majority of Americans were in favour of ANY of those wars? Not at all, but they probably have more of a say than those in N Korea.
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