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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 10:43:58 GMT
as I keep saying, it is not the word, it is the sentiment behind the word that is relevant. No, actually, what matters is the perception of the person who feels insulted. I'm not on about third parties. If you use the N word at work and a coloured person complains, you would lose at an industrial tribunal. I know this from my company's policies. Up to a point, yes. However does this means that anyone can find any random word "offensive" and thus demand that it's banned or make an industrial tribunal complaint? No. I still think there has to be an intent to insult or disparage even if only casually. So if you call someone a nigger at work, you are for sure going to be in trouble. But if you use a colloquialism such as "nigger in the woodpile" which is just an old-fashioned phrase with no connotations of insult other than those looking to be insulted by some indirect reference to the days of slavery. And simply because they have taken possession of the whole topic, and no-one (non-black) is allowed an opinion. (Sounds a familiar concept!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:48:03 GMT
The N word is bad however you use it (unless in an academic field and even then you would have to be careful). The expression n in a woodpile is archaic and we don't need to use it today. It's also clichéd and unstylish.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2017 12:55:25 GMT
Is it out of order to find the term "the nigger in the woodpile" amusing? Its so archaic I can't see how it could be seen as offensive except by someone wanting offending ! If you find black people amusing it should be a laugh a second in London. How about "the nigger driving de red London bus"?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2017 13:01:59 GMT
as I keep saying, it is not the word, it is the sentiment behind the word that is relevant. No, actually, what matters is the perception of the person who feels insulted. I'm not on about third parties. If you use the N word at work and a coloured person complains, you would lose at an industrial tribunal. I know this from my company's policies. When you moved recently to a remote Pennine village, was the fact that there are no blacks or 'Asians' living in that village, only wealthy whites swanning round in their huge BMWs and Mercedes an influence? I mean - you could haved moved to Keighley. No - best to avoid the pyjama-wearing brigade, and then lecture others on their moral failings.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2017 13:07:26 GMT
How about the term "lying Arab"? As valid today as it ever was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:16:34 GMT
No, actually, what matters is the perception of the person who feels insulted. I'm not on about third parties. If you use the N word at work and a coloured person complains, you would lose at an industrial tribunal. I know this from my company's policies. When you moved recently to a remote Pennine village, was the fact that there are no blacks or 'Asians' living in that village, only wealthy whites swanning round in their huge BMWs and Mercedes an influence? . No. And Barkisland is hardly remote!
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:20:16 GMT
Bit of a long story:
At work we acquired a new boss Mike, he had been a big boss in the Nigerian operation (he was white). But he lacked any sort of ability to communicate with people, and was roundly disliked. Anyway, at one informal pilots' meeting in the coffee room (around 2011) he wanted to introduce us to a new area manager who was black Nigerian. They had been best of mates when they were both working for the company in Nigeria. In hindsight I think he was just nervous at facing a bunch of stroppy pilots, but when it came introducing the Nigerian, he said "This is Dapo, your new area manager. He disappears when you turn the lights out <grinning feebly>. There was stunned silence. The union rep made a formal complaint to the company CEO in Houston.
But Dapo couldn't see what the fuss was about, it was just a bit of banter from his mate and it could have been a comment about any physical attribute like being ginger. Maybe not appropriate under the circumstances, but he saw it for what it was, just a slightly misguided attempt at humour. Probably in an attempt by Mike to make him seem "one of the boys" - which backfired big time.
So as usual, it was a case of other people being offended on Dapo's behalf, when Dapo himself was not in the slightest bit offended.
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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 13:22:41 GMT
Who cares?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:25:57 GMT
You don't of course, because you are only interested in people with the exact same situation and views as yourself, of which there are none, which means you are only interested in yourself and your pathetic whining on about how hard done by you are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:35:05 GMT
Surely you know that Muslims consider dogs haram?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:18 GMT
No. And Barkisland is hardly remote! We drove through Barkisland a few times last Summer 2016 and did not see many niggers-in-the-woodpile there. No Pakistanis either. However - go to Bradford and you're in Karachi straight away! I actually don't mind 'Asians', I will tease them as much as I do anyone else, I just poo-poo the Geldofs who tell me what I can say. Well, now we are in Ali-Baba Land again, after Nelson and Brierfield.. Let me tell you this - see a loose dog on the towpath and you know round the corner is a white owner. 'Asians' do not seem to be fond of dogs. Surely Barkisland is where all the dogs go on holiday?
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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 13:37:44 GMT
You don't of course, because you are only interested in people with the exact same situation and views as yourself, of which there are none, which means you are only interested in yourself and your pathetic whining on about how hard done by you are. And your a sociopath with no empathy. I feel sorry for Jeff really, he must be long suffering.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:41:03 GMT
You don't of course, because you are only interested in people with the exact same situation and views as yourself, of which there are none, which means you are only interested in yourself and your pathetic whining on about how hard done by you are. And your a sociopath with no empathy. Correct - in the case of self-centred people who are only out for themselves and want all laws to be changed to revolve around their particular needs and wishes, but are actually too lazy to do anything concrete so just wail and sob about how it's all "SO UNFAIR"!
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Post by bettina on Jul 11, 2017 14:18:04 GMT
When I was a young girl growing up in rural New Brunswick (mid - late 70's) we had a old county store just down the road from us. My friends & I would go there on Saturday mornings with our pocket money and spend on penny candy, you could get 3 green leaves for a penny or 5 cinnamon jelly beans for a penny ect ect. My favorite was "nigger babies" (little pieces of black liquorice shaped like a baby). That was the actual name of the candy, not a name us kids had made up. You would ask the shop keeper for 3 pennies worth of nigger babies,2 cents worth of green leaves, and 2 pair of lips...there would be your 10p spent (lips were expensive!) As far as ethnic miniorities go, every single kid in my junior high and high school was caucasian, there simply weren't any other races of peoples living within the 40 mile radius of the school to sent their kids to it. (we ALL traveled to school on school buses, one friend of mine lived over 30 miles from the school) Anyway, when we asked for the candy, we had no idea anyone would ever take offence at it, IIRC the name was changed in the 80's to something like liquorice babies. What we did have was a whole bunch of different relegions...funny enough no Mulsim or Judaism though. Nobody ever chummed around with the Pentecostals, who were all easy enough to reconize with the girls only allowed to wear skirts or dresses and the kerchiefs on their heads, there were a couple of Seventh Day Advetists, & 1 Jehovah's Witnesses everyboy chunned them because their religon was sooo different to ours. We the Baptist's, United, United Baptist, C of E, Catholic's and Anglicans all chummed around together. Oh and there was one big Ginger (no not Fire Engine blond, he had proper Carrot Orange ginger) oaf, who had been held back for 3 or 4 years; no one of any of the religons hung around with David The point of all this is even though we didn't discriminate againts other races we certainly did so based on religon. This I think was a lot to do with our parents, for me it was my mother's influence, which I'm quite happy to say I grew out of rather quickly after leaving home. Oh, and we didn't have bicycle sheds either
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Post by peterboat on Jul 11, 2017 15:19:04 GMT
In my time I have been out with Black girls, a Pakistani lady and ladies from all over the globe really but the only one that my mum was bothered about was a lady from Germany strange world eh?
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