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Post by tadworth on Jan 4, 2017 23:17:57 GMT
Any craft can be a houseboat if CRT decide it is, sometimes a houseboat and pleasure boat at the same time, even though you cannot get a houseboat certificate, I have tried, if it suits CRT you might become one overnight when the enforcement fairies get to work their magic.
Dear Mr [ Tadworth ]
Thank you for your email.
Yes of course you can have a 'houseboat' if you do not have a mooring, we just wouldn't issue you with a 'Houseboat Certificate' because you don't have a Canal & River Trust Mooring. You would just need to licence your boat as normal on a Standard Canal & River Trust Licence as a Continuous Cruiser.
The Terms & Conditions states the following regarding Houseboats; Houseboat means a boat predominantly used for a purpose other than navigation and which, if required for the purpose, has planning permission, for the site where it is moored. A houseboat may be moved provided that navigation does not become its predominant use.
These are only issued for boats covered by a Canal & River Trust mooring agreement and the houseboat certificate and Trust mooring agreement must run concurrently with the same expiry date.
Please feel free to contact me if you require any further information.
Kind Regards,
Rachel Hunt Licence Processor Boat Licencing Team
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 23:23:01 GMT
I think we need to get some sort of letter template drawn up that we can promote for Boat owners to send to their MP, if they wish. 2-300 MP's getting a mail dump would stir something I feel.
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Post by kris on Jan 4, 2017 23:26:45 GMT
I think we need to get some sort of letter template drawn up that we can promote for Boat owners to send to their MP, if they wish. 2-300 MP's getting a mail dump would stir something I feel. i think this is a really good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 23:31:35 GMT
I think we need to get some sort of letter template drawn up that we can promote for Boat owners to send to their MP, if they wish. 2-300 MP's getting a mail dump would stir something I feel. i think this is a really good idea. A joint effort would be needed to draft the letter, and I would "suggest" it ran along the lines of simply pointing out our concerns on CRT not having anyone to account to. It has to be worded in such a way, that a majority of boat owners would be happy to participate, and email it to their local MP. Tricky to do, but I feel it would gather some pace and possibly see many take part.
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Post by tadworth on Jan 5, 2017 0:08:13 GMT
A list of CRT's illegal acts as well, there needs to be evidence of the harm they are doing, and the money they are handing over to Shoesmiths.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jan 5, 2017 3:10:42 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 5, 2017 8:36:05 GMT
I should be happy to check any letter for spelling mistakes / grammar, and to see if it makes sense. It would also be interesting to see how many boaters are worried about CRT's management - what percentage are 'concerned', what percentage are 'happy'? Could play around here with a 'poll' - I don't know how to make such. It would just be playing as Thunderboat members are probably well below 1% of all boaters on the waterways. 0.01% ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 9:26:25 GMT
A list of CRT's illegal acts as well, there needs to be evidence of the harm they are doing, and the money they are handing over to Shoesmiths. If you start detailing a letter with "opinions and greviances", it will cause division. This will result in a lot of people not taking part, therefore impacting on its effectiveness. It just needs to be a simple letter voicing the concerns around CRT not having to account to anyone. This covers many issues, and if folk wish to add opinions to the template before sending it, that's fine. They can make that choice themselves.
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Post by kris on Jan 5, 2017 10:14:43 GMT
A list of CRT's illegal acts as well, there needs to be evidence of the harm they are doing, and the money they are handing over to Shoesmiths. If you start detailing a letter with "opinions and greviances", it will cause division. This will result in a lot of people not taking part, therefore impacting on its effectiveness. It just needs to be a simple letter voicing the concerns around CRT not having to account to anyone. This covers many issues, and if folk wish to add opinions to the template before sending it, that's fine. They can make that choice themselves. i think you are right in what you say here, personally I think expressing concern at the lack of oversight and the trying to negate boaters statutory rights through the use of t&c's would be enough. The wording is important as it needs to express concern rather than be whinging.
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Post by IainS on Jan 5, 2017 11:39:18 GMT
Any craft can be a houseboat if CRT decide it is, sometimes a houseboat and pleasure boat at the same time, even though you cannot get a houseboat certificate, I have tried, if it suits CRT you might become one overnight when the enforcement fairies get to work their magic. Dear Mr [ Tadworth ] Thank you for your email. Yes of course you can have a 'houseboat' if you do not have a mooring, we just wouldn't issue you with a 'Houseboat Certificate' because you don't have a Canal & River Trust Mooring. You would just need to licence your boat as normal on a Standard Canal & River Trust Licence as a Continuous Cruiser. The Terms & Conditions states the following regarding Houseboats; Houseboat means a boat predominantly used for a purpose other than navigation and which, if required for the purpose, has planning permission, for the site where it is moored. A houseboat may be moved provided that navigation does not become its predominant use. These are only issued for boats covered by a Canal & River Trust mooring agreement and the houseboat certificate and Trust mooring agreement must run concurrently with the same expiry date. Please feel free to contact me if you require any further information. Kind Regards, Rachel Hunt Licence Processor Boat Licencing Team I recently said (in the other place) that words do not change their meaning just because they are used in legislation. Obviously, I was wrong!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2017 12:27:39 GMT
Any craft can be a houseboat if CRT decide it is, sometimes a houseboat and pleasure boat at the same time, even though you cannot get a houseboat certificate, I have tried, if it suits CRT you might become one overnight when the enforcement fairies get to work their magic. Dear Mr [ Tadworth ] Thank you for your email. Yes of course you can have a 'houseboat' if you do not have a mooring, we just wouldn't issue you with a 'Houseboat Certificate' because you don't have a Canal & River Trust Mooring. You would just need to licence your boat as normal on a Standard Canal & River Trust Licence as a Continuous Cruiser. The Terms & Conditions states the following regarding Houseboats; Houseboat means a boat predominantly used for a purpose other than navigation and which, if required for the purpose, has planning permission, for the site where it is moored. A houseboat may be moved provided that navigation does not become its predominant use. These are only issued for boats covered by a Canal & River Trust mooring agreement and the houseboat certificate and Trust mooring agreement must run concurrently with the same expiry date. Please feel free to contact me if you require any further information. Kind Regards, Rachel Hunt Licence Processor Boat Licencing Team I recently said (in the other place) that words do not change their meaning just because they are used in legislation. Obviously, I was wrong! If my recollection is correct, the concept of the 'continuously cruising houseboat' was first aired by C&RT's barrister in the first Andy Wingfield trial some two years ago after they revoked his PBC for 'overstaying' on moorings which the Trust neither owned nor controlled. It was one of the more telling examples of the nonsense that led to the increasingly exasperated Judge telling C&RT to seek a negotiated agreement with Andy as an alternative to wasting any more Court time.
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Post by tadworth on Jan 5, 2017 14:44:03 GMT
Dear Mr [ Tadworth] Thank you for your email. There are no forms to register for a houseboat. To qualify to be a 'Houseboat' you need to purchase a residential moorings and the boat is required to static. Please see our T&C's of 'Houseboats' for guidance. canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/5962.pdfEnd of page 23. Hope this helps Regards Parveen Mardel
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Post by bargemast on Jan 5, 2017 16:20:37 GMT
Hi Steve, I'm not clever enough to read this writing, gave it a go with "Google-Translator", but that didn't give me an answer either.
I'm sure that it was something very interesting, too bad !
Peter.
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Post by IainS on Jan 5, 2017 16:52:04 GMT
Dear Mr [ Tadworth] Thank you for your email. There are no forms to register for a houseboat. To qualify to be a 'Houseboat' you need to purchase a residential moorings and the boat is required to static. Please see our T&C's of 'Houseboats' for guidance. canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/5962.pdfEnd of page 23. Hope this helps Regards Parveen Mardel That's more like it!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 5, 2017 18:33:59 GMT
Dear Mr [ Tadworth] Thank you for your email. There are no forms to register for a houseboat. To qualify to be a 'Houseboat' you need to purchase a residential moorings and the boat is required to static. Please see our T&C's of 'Houseboats' for guidance. canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/5962.pdfEnd of page 23. Hope this helps Regards Parveen Mardel That's more like it! Well, it's better than the other effort, but it's still a bit of C&RT dreamed up nonsense rather than something carrying any weight in law. S.3(1) of the 1971 BW Act excludes any self-propelled vessel capable of being steered and controlled from being a 'houseboat', . . . something which C&RT find convenient to ignore when selecting boats to be evicted from their waters.
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