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Post by bargemast on Jun 18, 2018 10:37:19 GMT
Our dutch barge Disponibel was converted from sail to motor during the war but they kept the Lee boards to aid maneuvering so the deck winch had both roles, Anchor and lee boards. I've seen Dutch barges with dedicated lee board winches as well. And apparently the large twin anchors on the front and back of larger barges are for emergency stopping rather than anchoring. That's as I understand it anyway. I don't know about the bigger barges in the UK, but overhere they are still used for anchoring, although many bigger barges do use their telescopic spudpoles that can go very deep 25m and if needs be even longer.
Their use may be restricted by local regulations like the rules in the Port of Amsterdam :
Peter.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 18, 2018 11:40:37 GMT
Our dutch barge Disponibel was converted from sail to motor during the war but they kept the Lee boards to aid maneuvering so the deck winch had both roles, Anchor and lee boards. Hi Saltyplash, if you have some photos of that winch, I would be very interested in seeing these.
On these barges the anchor winch often had a cable pulley drum to raise and lower the mast, another winch on the middle deck to hoist and lower the sails and boom, and at the stern next to the wheel- or tiller, on each side a winch for the leeboards.
After conversion to motor barges of these former sailing barges, the winch on the middle deck was removed, and the middle dek too to make for a completely opening hold, a wheelhouse was added, and for many years the leeboards where still left in position with their own winches.
Here is the link to a Steilsteven that's for sale, on which you can see on several photos the original position of the winches for the leeboards
Peter.
Ill see if I can find one. I crew'd a sailing barge from Hoorn to Amsterdam several years ago when I was an item with the female skipper and the Lee board winches where little foot operated jobs at the stern, quite nifty little things.
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Post by patty on Jun 18, 2018 11:51:35 GMT
Trying to post a photo, . . not having much success at the moment, . . . come back and have a another look later ! Can't understand this. I can put the photo into an e-mail send it to myself and it works OK, but if I try to put it in this post then all I'm getting is :- " Picture " . . . . . Any suggestions ? The only way I can suss out how to post pics is using Imgur and then copying share links, knocking off few letters when I put it in the box
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Post by bargemast on Jun 18, 2018 16:19:07 GMT
Hi Saltyplash, if you have some photos of that winch, I would be very interested in seeing these.
On these barges the anchor winch often had a cable pulley drum to raise and lower the mast, another winch on the middle deck to hoist and lower the sails and boom, and at the stern next to the wheel- or tiller, on each side a winch for the leeboards.
After conversion to motor barges of these former sailing barges, the winch on the middle deck was removed, and the middle dek too to make for a completely opening hold, a wheelhouse was added, and for many years the leeboards where still left in position with their own winches.
Here is the link to a Steilsteven that's for sale, on which you can see on several photos the original position of the winches for the leeboards
Peter.
Ill see if I can find one. I crew'd a sailing barge from Hoorn to Amsterdam several years ago when I was an item with the female skipper and the Lee board winches where little foot operated jobs at the stern, quite nifty little things. If the winches on that barge were foot operated jobs, they were probably electric- or hydraulic, with only a foot-switch to action them.
On the charter-sailing barges several have made them electricly operated like here :
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 7:13:22 GMT
What about spud legs? Not wanting to cut holes in the boat maybe you could do something that bolts on. Spud legs could do (I'm not saying "do") fatal damage to the canal bottom, going through the layer of puddle clay, and creating leaks.
Peter.
When kris said anchors would increase his mooring options I assumed he meant when on rivers. I would not advocate the use of anchors or spud legs when on clay lined canal sections.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 19, 2018 9:04:29 GMT
Spud legs could do (I'm not saying "do") fatal damage to the canal bottom, going through the layer of puddle clay, and creating leaks.
Peter.
When kris said anchors would increase his mooring options I assumed he meant when on rivers. I would not advocate the use of anchors or spud legs when on clay lined canal sections. It's more than likely that you assumed right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:54:13 GMT
I've seen Dutch barges with dedicated lee board winches as well. And apparently the large twin anchors on the front and back of larger barges are for emergency stopping rather than anchoring. That's as I understand it anyway. I don't know about the bigger barges in the UK, but overhere they are still used for anchoring, although many bigger barges do use their telescopic spudpoles that can go very deep 25m and if needs be even longer.
Their use may be restricted by local regulations like the rules in the Port of Amsterdam :
Peter.
I stand corrected. I was under the impression that the pairs of very large anchors seen a the bows of large (freycinet type) barges were emergency "brakes". Thanks for clearing that up Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:56:35 GMT
This sort of thing
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 19, 2018 22:39:50 GMT
Ill see if I can find one. I crew'd a sailing barge from Hoorn to Amsterdam several years ago when I was an item with the female skipper and the Lee board winches where little foot operated jobs at the stern, quite nifty little things. If the winches on that barge were foot operated jobs, they were probably electric- or hydraulic, with only a foot-switch to action them.
On the charter-sailing barges several have made them electricly operated like here :
Peter.
Yes it was a charter boat. That week we entertained a bunch of German businessmen and then a group of French school kids. The winches hadn't been converted, a quick release handle to drop the board then the foot pedal to raise it.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 19, 2018 22:51:47 GMT
If they work heres a couple of pics of the winch on Barge Disponibel. Sorry for poor quality but I got them off a dvd The left drum on the winch is for the anchor and the right for the Lee boards
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Post by bargemast on Jun 20, 2018 8:26:02 GMT
Thanks for these photos Saltysplash, "Disponibel" was the last kind of sailing barges made, and the drum on your anchorwinch is likely to have been the drum for the steel cable that was used for raising and lowering it's mast often several times during a delivery trip because of the non-opening bridges they had to pass, or arriving at the wrong time for one that did open only on specific hours.
So I can see that that drum was used for the operation of a leeboard at a later stage, but how did you operate both leeboards with only one drum ?
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 20, 2018 8:45:29 GMT
This sort of thing I see one rather small one and a slightly bigger anchor on this barge, converted as a houseboat that's good enough, but it wouldn't be for a still trading commercial barge.
On te following photos you can see the 2 bow anchors I had on my barge that I converted as a daytrip/restaurant barge each 350kg, and the stern anchor of 175kg that could be used to help with emergency stopping while going downstream if there wouldn't be space enough to turn around (never needed to do that).
Peter.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 20, 2018 15:14:32 GMT
Thanks for these photos Saltysplash, "Disponibel" was the last kind of sailing barges made, and the drum on your anchorwinch is likely to have been the drum for the steel cable that was used for raising and lowering it's mast often several times during a delivery trip because of the non-opening bridges they had to pass, or arriving at the wrong time for one that did open only on specific hours. So I can see that that drum was used for the operation of a leeboard at a later stage, but how did you operate both leeboards with only one drum ? Peter. They both dropped together peter just to give the hull a bit of bite through the water when maneuvering. She had been in the same family since she was built till we got our English hands on her. Originally used to carry peat.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 20, 2018 17:12:51 GMT
Thanks for these photos Saltysplash, "Disponibel" was the last kind of sailing barges made, and the drum on your anchorwinch is likely to have been the drum for the steel cable that was used for raising and lowering it's mast often several times during a delivery trip because of the non-opening bridges they had to pass, or arriving at the wrong time for one that did open only on specific hours. So I can see that that drum was used for the operation of a leeboard at a later stage, but how did you operate both leeboards with only one drum ? Peter. They both dropped together peter just to give the hull a bit of bite through the water when maneuvering. She had been in the same family since she was built till we got our English hands on her. Originally used to carry peat. Thanks Saltysplash that makes it clear, the leeboards you had on "Disponibel" were probably steel ones, as if they were wooden with the movements of the boat in a bit of a sea only the one at the lee-side would stand a chance to survive as that one would be pushed against the hull, but the other one would try to get away from the hull and could break like that.
The way they were set-up, they could even keep your boat in position in undeep waters with the leeboards touching the bottom.
Peter.
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Post by kris on Jul 4, 2018 9:18:16 GMT
What about spud legs? Not wanting to cut holes in the boat maybe you could do something that bolts on. sorry for resurecting this thread, I wanted to carry on at the time but had crap Internet coverage. Spud legs would be good, but as you say cutting into the boat would be complicated and exspensive. Bolt on ones would be problematic for locks. An anchor is probably the best option. But as I single hand a lot, is need to set it up for use single handed. I need to make a brake band for my winch then it is full operational.
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