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Post by pearley on Jul 8, 2018 11:17:52 GMT
We have come down from Halsall Green this morning to Wheelock. Two boats went down before us and we met three on the way up, two of which said they had come from Middlewich (the third one ignored us) Struggled to get out of the last lock and grounded 4ft from the edge when I pulled in to get Jeannette on board. Pushing with the pole was ineffective so Jeannette went back to the lock and flushed me off.
But, looking at the piling, the level isn't much more than 6 inches down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 11:25:21 GMT
Movement here. The level rose by a good 5" upto about 10.30am and boats (6 of them) have travelled up without sticking. We're having a cuppa, then we'll get going. Sun's shining, such fun  Rog |
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Post by pearley on Jul 8, 2018 12:24:50 GMT
CRT just walked by up towards the lock with windlass in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 13:40:34 GMT
So what is the reason for CRT deliberately degrading the system? Is there some sort of agenda ? Its a bit of an odd situation. Is it perhaps quite useful for some groups that a lot of people think CRT are useless? I'm really intrigued as to what a realistic solution would be which resulted in a well maintained thriving canal system. I suspect the best option for the actual canals useability would be breaking up and selling off individual areas to private ownership. However this would probably increase costs and make certain types of lifestyle very awkward or expensive so I don't believe it would be a good thing. I would prefer the current situation to that. The current higher up managment of cart aren't interested in waterways, they just want the property portfolio. The waterways and the boaters that come with them are a hinderance and a nuisance. So to answer your question. Basically any organisation whos main focus was maintaining a navigable waterway network would be better than cart. Makes sense. How do you do that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 13:54:56 GMT
Give em lots of money to do just that and don't add any strings.
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Post by zigspider on Jul 8, 2018 22:10:08 GMT
When we came down the Northampton line, all the bottom gates had been left open, so we assumed that was the done thing. We had been followed by another boat who had a little shout at us about not closing the gates. Obviously dedicated members of the unthinking contingent who believe that closing gates is a work/labour reducing courtesy for following boats, . . I hope you educated them in the error of their ways. Having read more on the correct protocol, in hindsight I would have. But being very new to actually navigating the cut / river, I kept quiet and headed for the first pub we could moor at. |
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Post by Ssscrudddy on Jul 8, 2018 23:59:51 GMT
There are instructions on every lock. Guillotine gates to be left up & the lock empty. V gates both ends you can leave the gate open when you exit the lock & keep going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 5:38:52 GMT
There are instructions on every lock. Guillotine gates to be left up & the lock empty. V gates both ends you can leave the gate open when you exit the lock & keep going. I read Northampton Line as Northampton Arm Sadly there seems to be many illiterate boaters that use the Nene through the summer - makes you wonder how they manage to get such nice boats without being able to read....! Coming upstream behind an arsehole that won't empty their lock means a fair bit of extra work; invariably they leave the vee gates open too - selfish bastards! |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 9, 2018 6:51:48 GMT
Sadly my prediction of CRT being a vehicle to deliberately degrade the canal system appears to be coming true. As to what comes after cart well cart has to go first. How much are the Golden Handshakes going to remove from the waterways?... it's not just the water that's leaking, the money is hemorrhaging. Will the guilty walk away Scot free? (Yes). |
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Post by kris on Jul 9, 2018 6:52:46 GMT
As to what comes after cart well cart has to go first. How much are the Golden Handshakes going to remove from the waterways?... it's not just the water thst's leaking, the money is hemorrhaging. Will the guilty walk away Scot free? (Yes). probably |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 9, 2018 7:07:11 GMT
Obviously dedicated members of the unthinking contingent who believe that closing gates is a work/labour reducing courtesy for following boats, . . I hope you educated them in the error of their ways. Having read more on the correct protocol, in hindsight I would have. But being very new to actually navigating the cut / river, I kept quiet and headed for the first pub we could moor at. I understand TD's view that one set of lock gates can be left open as the other gates should not be leaking in the first place. This saves time and bother for 50% of boats who come to the lock and find gates already open (is this correct?). However, I don't see what's wrong with closing both sets of gates. Boating is a leisure pursuit for the wealthy (mostly) who are not carrying tonnes of urgent freight, and they have time to close both gates. I look at it as a 'second fuse' or back-up in case one set of gates failed completely. The canals are old so there will be leaks and not everything 100% perfect and the waterways should be treated with respect for all the labour (and many deaths) that went into constructing them. The shame is 'corporate suits and lawyers' who have jumped on the wagon to line their pockets - stem the leak there first and you'll find the coffers will gradually start to re-fill. |
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Post by zigspider on Jul 9, 2018 15:44:34 GMT
There are instructions on every lock. Guillotine gates to be left up & the lock empty. V gates both ends you can leave the gate open when you exit the lock & keep going. This I know, and we made sure to leave all the river locks with the Guillotine gates up. I was referring originally to the Northampton arm of the grand union. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:26:09 GMT
I understand TD's view that one set of lock gates can be left open as the other gates should not be leaking in the first place. This saves time and bother for 50% of boats who come to the lock and find gates already open (is this correct?). It can't be correct as the "flow" of boats varies unless there is heavy traffic. It never causes anyone to do unneccessary work though. If you arrive at a lock and it's set against you with gates open it makes no difference if you also leave gates open. There is no extra work. You have stopped the boat to operate the lock so no extra manoeuvring unlike there would be if you closed gates on exiting. The only thing that can happen is you do less work if the gates are open in your favour. Its not possible to do more work than expected. It is fair to point out some canals do not have the traffic density they once had. However leaving gates open when there is nobody else about could result in dry pounds. Which would be detrimental to other boaters. But... If everyone left gates open when leaving locks then regular dewatering of sections of canal would start to get people talking about maintenance. The problem with sweeping it under the carpet by shutting the gates is that at some point there will come a ridiculously large repair bill and the canal infrastructure will fail. Its an old and relatively fragile system but given reasonable maintenance it can be kept in good order. If a lock has a known issue at a certain time then a sign (not a laminated piece of paper I mean a durable sign like the "warning happiness explosive levels" could be attached to the lock. A proper high visibility notice which could have a hand written bit with details of the problem and required action (leave lock empty usually as normally the bottom gates leak more). And when it will be fixed. There is also the animal question. An animal has a better chance (above zero) of surviving if it can get out of a lock chamber if it falls in and find a suitable place to scramble out of the water. I think the egress ladders fitted in locks might have appeared about the same time as the close gates phenomenon. They certainly aren't for boaters. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 9, 2018 18:04:12 GMT
I understand TD's view that one set of lock gates can be left open as the other gates should not be leaking in the first place. This saves time and bother for 50% of boats who come to the lock and find gates already open (is this correct?). It can't be correct as the "flow" of boats varies unless there is heavy traffic. It never causes anyone to do unneccessary work though. If you arrive at a lock and it's set against you with gates open it makes no difference if you also leave gates open. There is no extra work. You have stopped the boat to operate the lock so no extra manoeuvring unlike there would be if you closed gates on exiting. The only thing that can happen is you do less work if the gates are open in your favour. Its not possible to do more work than expected. It is fair to point out some canals do not have the traffic density they once had. However leaving gates open when there is nobody else about could result in dry pounds. Which would be detrimental to other boaters. But... If everyone left gates open when leaving locks then regular dewatering of sections of canal would start to get people talking about maintenance. The problem with sweeping it under the carpet by shutting the gates is that at some point there will come a ridiculously large repair bill and the canal infrastructure will fail. Its an old and relatively fragile system but given reasonable maintenance it can be kept in good order. If a lock has a known issue at a certain time then a sign (not a laminated piece of paper I mean a durable sign like the "warning happiness explosive levels" could be attached to the lock. A proper high visibility notice which could have a hand written bit with details of the problem and required action (leave lock empty usually as normally the bottom gates leak more). And when it will be fixed. There is also the animal question. An animal has a better chance (above zero) of surviving if it can get out of a lock chamber if it falls in and find a suitable place to scramble out of the water. I think the egress ladders fitted in locks might have appeared about the same time as the close gates phenomenon. They certainly aren't for boaters. Is that the Great White, or Little Egress. It's ok they can fly out. Barnum of Barnum and Bailey fame had an exhibition of animals, freaks etc, crowds gathered at the last of the wonders and formed a bottleneck. So he put up a sign, "This way to the Egress." The crowd moved along to see..... Back OT, leaving the bottom gates open certainly stops some pounds draining near me, bottom gates are worn by "one gaters" who can't steer! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 18:12:30 GMT
There are instructions on every lock. Guillotine gates to be left up & the lock empty. V gates both ends you can leave the gate open when you exit the lock & keep going. This I know, and we made sure to leave all the river locks with the Guillotine gates up. I was referring originally to the Northampton arm of the grand union. Heading downstream you always leave the lock as it should be found - wait till you have the misfortune to follow an arsehole upstream that ignores the signage 👿 |
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