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Post by kris on Aug 16, 2018 10:49:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 11:14:53 GMT
Which is all fine on the public highways, but who will police this on the towpath, how will it be proved some lycra wearing knob has been peddling dangerously?
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Post by kris on Aug 16, 2018 11:23:18 GMT
Which is all fine on the public highways, but who will police this on the towpath, The police! You know the same people who enforce the other laws.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 11:52:42 GMT
After the accident, sadly.
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Post by patty on Aug 16, 2018 14:17:00 GMT
If people behaved responsibly there would be no need to progress further down the slope to Nanny state..they don't..idiots behave with zero tolerance towards others..and will continue until caught.. We need on the spot fines/confiscation of cycles..with the amount of dosh these lycra clad hoodlums spend on their precious 2 wheeled towpath transport options, it'd hit them where it'd make most impact.
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Post by Gone on Aug 16, 2018 14:22:35 GMT
Which is all fine on the public highways, but who will police this on the towpath, how will it be proved some lycra wearing knob has been peddling dangerously? GoPro type cameras have been a powerful tool for cyclists on roads, maybe pedestrians will start using them when there is a persistent cyclist endangering others. Start saving for mine.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 15:58:11 GMT
The proposal isn't to create an offense of dangerous cycling it is to create an offense of causing death by careless or dangerous cycling. I doubt it will make any difference to how cyclists behave as even the total bell-end cyclists only manage to kill a couple of people a year.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2018 16:01:51 GMT
The towpath is a dangerous place. I suggest CRT makes it obligatory for boaters to don an orange Hi-Viz jacket before stepping onto the towpath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 16:11:54 GMT
If people behaved responsibly there would be no need to progress further down the slope to Nanny state..they don't..idiots behave with zero tolerance towards others..and will continue until caught.. We need on the spot fines/confiscation of cycles..with the amount of dosh these lycra clad hoodlums spend on their precious 2 wheeled towpath transport options, it'd hit them where it'd make most impact. I've said it before so I'll repeat it (ad nauseam preferably). The simple way to deal with idiot cyclists is by changing the crowd mentality. People out walking usually outnumber cyclists. The biggest problem is that walkers generally seem to "leap out of the way" when a cyclist comes as if the cyclist has some sort of priority over others. Ironically the signage says the opposite. If walkers routinely went about their ordinary business (they have a right to reach their destination in good time as well) forcing the xyclists to wait for a suitable place to pass this would indicate to the cyclists that it is not acceptable to just blast past. Considerate cyclist won't mind this. the idiots will hopefully go away as they would not be able to achieve the required lap times. Idiots are a minority. If the majority stick together and indicate by their group behaviour that idiots are not welcome its possible they (the idiots!) will disappear. Maybe this is wishful thinking and I suppose people don't want conflict but it could get quite interesting if crt's plan to bring more people to the towpaths does have the required result because its quite likely the majority will be walking and some people like to walk beside another person while chatting about the weather rather than worrying about idiots on bikes.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2018 16:19:25 GMT
Cycling on the towpath can also be dangerous:
"The girls had been on a bicycle trip on Sunday, 31 May 1953, and were seen cycling along the towpath beside the River Thames at about 11am."
Towpath murders From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The towpath murders was a case that involved the murder of two teenage girls on the towpath near Teddington Lock on the River Thames, England, on 31 May 1953. Alfred Whiteway was hanged for the murders, which got a deal of press attention, the case being described at the time as "one of Scotland Yard's most notable triumphs in a century". At the trial defence counsel Peter Rawlinson had subjected lead detective Herbert Hannam to what was at the time considered a very sharp cross examination on Whiteway's contention that the main evidence against him had been manufactured by police. Victims The victims were 16-year-old Barbara Songhurst and 18-year-old Christine Reed. The girls had been on a bicycle trip on Sunday, 31 May 1953, and were seen cycling along the towpath beside the River Thames at about 11am. They failed to return home. Songhurst's body was found the next day floating in the river and Reed's body was found on 6 June after a section of canal was drained. Pathologist Keith Mant determined that both victims had been beaten, raped and killed with a hatchet.
Investigation Alfred Charles Whiteway, separated from his wife and living with his parents in Teddington, was arrested a month later after the two separate rapes of women in Surrey. At first, he denied any involvement. Later, an axe was found hidden under the back seat of a police car in which he had apparently hid it upon being arrested following his arrest for the rape of a 14 year old girl and an attack on a woman in the Oxshott Heath and Woods. The axe was found at the house of a police constable, who was using it to chop wood. Forensic tests of the time could only inconclusively link traces of blood on the axe and Whiteway's shoes to the murders, but his signature to what police said was a confession taken down by them was crucial evidence for the prosecution. Whiteway however, always insisted he had been told to sign at the bottom of a blank sheet of paper and police had simply manufactured the confession.
Trial Whiteway was tried at the Old Bailey in October and November 1953 before Mr Justice Hilbery. He was defended by solicitor Arthur Prothero, who instructed Peter Rawlinson, then a relatively junior barrister. Rawlinson cross-examined murder squad detective Herbert Hannam at length, opening large holes in his evidence of the confession, which Whiteway claimed was a work of fiction. Press reports complained at the implication that the police were lying. In view of police methods of the time, and Hannan's book expressing the opinion that the law sometimes must be ignored by detectives, subsequent commentary has thought it not unlikely that Whitehead had indeed been "verbaled".
On 2 November, after forty-five minutes of deliberation, the jury found Whiteway guilty. An appeal was heard by the Lord Chief Justice (Lord Goddard), Mr. Justice Sellers and Mr. Justice Barry but was rejected on 7 December. Whiteway was hanged at Wandsworth Prison on 22 December 1953. The axe is in the Black Museum at Scotland Yard.
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Post by patty on Aug 16, 2018 16:47:40 GMT
Well I'm not standing in the way of rampant cyclists to prove any point..Ive nearly been squashed by the Towpath maniacs enough times not t risk myself or any with me...
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2018 16:56:12 GMT
A pin in time gets nine!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 16:58:02 GMT
Despite the attitude something tells me that idiot cyclists are not actually going to run people down. They have some sort of sense of entitlement but if the majority of walkers decided to deal with the problem then I'm sure it would work.
Think of it like a "reclaim the paths" type action. Cyclists do some sort of "reclaim the streets" thing (as if if were they who had carried out the civil engineering contracts and had the tarmac laid down) so why not do a similar things on footpaths.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 16:59:05 GMT
A pin in time gets nine! That's not a solution.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 16, 2018 17:10:39 GMT
No... I suppose the dogs who poo all over the towpath would get pins in their paws. Sometimes there are no solutions.
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