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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 29, 2018 10:45:35 GMT
There was me thinking it was about allowing boaters children to receive an education. As the whole notion of the distance moved or not moved, is a smoke screen to hide what's really happening on the waterways. It would seem a shame to allow it to interfere with children's education. Both my kids went to the local school whilst I was paying 900 Euros/month rent. Why is it boaters who want to stay in one place not want to pay rent? The rent I paid went towards health centres and hospitals in Helsinki that Brits could use for free whilst on holiday here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 10:45:57 GMT
why do you get so personal kris?
I'm not denying anyone anything. I've got zero influence on anything at all.
Eta if you knew my situation (I'm hardly going to tell you everything on here) you would see how laughable the "over privileged" term is!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 10:47:34 GMT
There was me thinking it was about allowing boaters children to receive an education. As the whole notion of the distance moved or not moved, is a smoke screen to hide what's really happening on the waterways. It would seem a shame to allow it to interfere with children's education. Both my kids went to the local school whilst I was paying 900 Euros/month rent. Why is it boaters who want to stay in one place not want to pay rent? The rent I paid went towards health centres and hospitals in Helsinki that Brits could use for free whilst on holiday here. To be fair there are very few residential moorings in popular areas. I think there should be a lot more (something I have always advocated) but there is a lot of resistance. Of course if non boaters can't afford to live in a certain area they move to a cheaper area. Its part of the economy. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 29, 2018 10:48:02 GMT
Not sure it's a good idea myself, for many reasons. We're listening... |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 29, 2018 10:56:47 GMT
Why shouldn't young families live onboard, cruise near school in term, and move further for holidays? Cruise? When are the kids doing their homework? In locks? When are the kids going to bed? When are the kids polishing their shoes? What time is Mummy ironing their shirts and preparing next day's lunch packs (school meals not provided any more so I hear). 'Cruising'. LOL. 'Lurking' until the CRT chappie goes home at 5pm. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 29, 2018 11:05:05 GMT
In truth C&RT have finally recognized that all the years of grief they've been inflicting on people who only move short distances between different 'places' every 14 days have been way beyond anything the law entitles them to do, and they're trying to present this climb down as some sort of goodwill concession on their part. Much as i would like to agree with you, that is not the case. As I stated a few posts up, CRT are looking for extended government funding. The trustees have clipped Parrys legal wings, and are also being advised that bad publicity will not get them that extended funding. Parry has no idea whatsoever on how to make the Trust self sufficient. As with the majority of civil servants, he looks to rely on government funding as the ultimate solution. I can't help thinking that with Parry's problems piling up round him, so much of the canal system closed to navigation, and the prospect of disgruntled boat Licence holders likely to start demanding refunds, that they're seeing this olive branch to the NBTA as being the only thing that's available to them to present as a positive and quickly achievable move in right direction. It's the equivalent of papering over some of the cracks, but it's just about all they can do quickly and at zero cost, and all they're really capable of. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 29, 2018 11:14:21 GMT
Not sure it's a good idea myself, for many reasons. I wonder if it applies to new applicants or do you have to have been living on board for some time. Well now what about this - as with council houses/flats, if you've been on a long term mooring for some years will CRT flog it to you cheap? And then you can sell it for much more! Sod the homeless and those with no moorings! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 11:16:46 GMT
Much as i would like to agree with you, that is not the case. As I stated a few posts up, CRT are looking for extended government funding. The trustees have clipped Parrys legal wings, and are also being advised that bad publicity will not get them that extended funding. Parry has no idea whatsoever on how to make the Trust self sufficient. As with the majority of civil servants, he looks to rely on government funding as the ultimate solution. I can't help thinking that with Parry's problems piling up round him, so much of the canal system closed to navigation, and the prospect of disgruntled boat Licence holders likely to start demanding refunds, that they're seeing this olive branch to the NBTA as being the only thing that's going to bring about something they can present as a positive step that they can achieve quickly and with zero outlay. It's the equivalent of papering over some of the cracks, but it's just about all they can do, and all they're really capable of. I think this particularly policy will be unpopular with the majority of boat owners. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 29, 2018 11:30:36 GMT
I can't help thinking that with Parry's problems piling up round him, so much of the canal system closed to navigation, and the prospect of disgruntled boat Licence holders likely to start demanding refunds, that they're seeing this olive branch to the NBTA as being the only thing that's going to bring about something they can present as a positive step that they can achieve quickly and with zero outlay. It's the equivalent of papering over some of the cracks, but it's just about all they can do, and all they're really capable of. I think this particularly policy will be unpopular with the majority of boat owners. I'm sure it's something that can be added to the already long list of ways that C&RT manage to get up boat owners noses, and I'm equally sure that none of the Trust's big noises will be losing any sleep over that. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2018 11:57:53 GMT
I wonder if it applies to new applicants or do you have to have been living on board for some time. Well now what about this - as with council houses/flats, if you've been on a long term mooring for some years will CRT flog it to you cheap? And then, being feckless you fail to keep up the payments and maintenance and some rachmanite buys you out/saves you from the error of your ways and gets a good investment property mooring. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2018 12:02:39 GMT
In London it is very attractive financially. For example say you own a little flat in London with a mortgage (yes plenty of people do) if you can raise some capital you could buy a boat and live on it while you rent out the flat on airbnb allowing someone else to pay your mortgage. Airbnb is a huge earner in London. You live on the boat and have a "wonderful lifestyle" for a few years then go back to the flat. You use the fact you have children to gain the right to stay within a 5 mile range which not only makes managing children easier it also makes managing the airbnb flat easier  If you had to move further then this would not be so easy to deal with. I don't do this as I own no property and never will but I'm sure this is a strategy some people are using. Its just so logical. We took a mooring because of school aged children (I deliver and collect them from school every weekday) as cc at the time (2012) was not really feasible because the required movement patterns were different. This apparent precedent makes it a whole lot more straightforward. Why do you refuse to see that you are privaliged to be in a position "to take a mooring" it's outside of most people's financial abilities. Regard less of what you say about the local authority paying completely for a mooring, have you ever tried to go through this process? So because you are "sure" that some people are manipulating the system, you want to deny boaters children a decent education. Your increasingly looking like an over privaliged twat, that wants to deny other people's children what your children are enjoying. Not in my back yard aye? Housing benefit pays, nowt to do with being a privileged posh boy. It's open to anyone. Is hb only available for a residential mooring? |
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Post by kris on Aug 29, 2018 12:18:27 GMT
Why do you refuse to see that you are privaliged to be in a position "to take a mooring" it's outside of most people's financial abilities. Regard less of what you say about the local authority paying completely for a mooring, have you ever tried to go through this process? So because you are "sure" that some people are manipulating the system, you want to deny boaters children a decent education. Your increasingly looking like an over privaliged twat, that wants to deny other people's children what your children are enjoying. Not in my back yard aye? Housing benefit pays, nowt to do with being a privileged posh boy. It's open to anyone. Is hb only available for a residential mooring? So it's that easy is it? |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2018 12:25:01 GMT
Housing benefit pays, nowt to do with being a privileged posh boy. It's open to anyone. Is hb only available for a residential mooring? So it's that easy is it? I don't know how hard or easy it is these days, it doesn't seem to be too onerous a process, I know that those with special needs, illiteracy etc can get help from HB office. I'm just saying it's not to do with privilege. Can you tell us what the barriers are, why you think it's hard. |
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Post by kris on Aug 29, 2018 12:30:57 GMT
It's hard because you have to get a cash strapped local authority to cough up for a mooring, if you can find a residential mooring which will allow you to claim from. Then even if you get them to agree to pay you, they are not going to pay the full amount, so putting a further drain on family resources. So it isn't as easy as saying "get a mooring" I doubt their are many people having children in order to get the reduced cruising range in term time.
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2018 12:56:24 GMT
If you are entitled to HB, then you are, whether a house or a boat. If you can't afford either because they are in a costly area and you would have to top up then you have to move and live in a cheaper area. That's easier for a boater, Shirley.
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