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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 1, 2018 10:52:22 GMT
It's time to hang the politicians who insist on these delaying tactics. 2 years have gone by. Politicians who are negotiating with The Nazis (Germany-Belgium-Netherlands alliance) are traitors to the British people and need skewering with red hot mooring pins.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 1, 2018 12:45:47 GMT
I think its fair to say that most of the members of this forum is for Brexit
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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2018 13:22:30 GMT
I think its fair to say that most of the members of this forum is for Brexit Unfortunately yes. But I love you all, misguided as you are. Its my job to keep you active, prevent dementia etc. You do all scurry about sometimes. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 1, 2018 14:00:58 GMT
I think its fair to say that the intelligent members of this forum are for Brexit.
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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2018 15:45:46 GMT
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Post by peterboat on Oct 1, 2018 16:30:19 GMT
If migrants arnt earning over 30K per year per household, and have a small family, they arnt paying anything to the economy by the time you take all costs into the equation! Unfortunately around my area it just aint happening, and they seem to have large families which makes the figure even higher
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 1, 2018 16:49:56 GMT
Yes, there are a lot of overly fat Finns who are good for nothing apart from fenders at quaysides - and the gypsies who become pensioners at the age of 16 because work interferes with their thieving and conning the elderly out of their savings. Well, the link makes one wonder how on Earth Britain ever became the centre of the industrial revolution and all its inventions - if only the Polish and Estonians and Greeks had been brought over en masse 2000 years ago, eh? ps - have you ever wondered about the Brits who were forcefully 'exported'? They seem to have done awfully well for themselves in New Zealand and Australia, and the USA, and South Africa, and just about everywhere else they've gone. I'd say that shows in general that the British are a hard working and conscientious peoples who use their initiative, creativity and intelligence to good use.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 1, 2018 17:32:25 GMT
I think its fair to say that most of the members of this forum is for Brexit Unfortunately yes. But I love you all, misguided as you are. Its my job to keep you active, prevent dementia etc. You do all scurry about sometimes. 😂😂😂😂😂 Not misguided Jim, for me personally it's more about economic survival. In east Kent, where I lived for thirty years, there used to be a thriving British continental transport industry. Go back to the year 2000, and 75% of trucks crossing the English Channel were British-registered, now it is 12%. A load from Manchester to Milan, Liverpool to Lausanne, Plymouth to Perpignan, all will be done by eastern European hauliers nowadays, we simply cannot compete with their economic base. Everything from wages, to the cost of yard rental, to vehicle excise duty is based on the cost base pertaining to post-Communist economies. I have no animosity towards the drivers doing the job, in fact they live a life somewhat akin to modern slavery being away from home for over eleven months a year. It's a shame not being able to do a run down to Italy or Spain any more, but there is a much wider issue. At present, non-UK registered trucks cannot perform unlimited movements within the borders of a third-party country, such as the UK. This is called "cabotage". A foreign registered truck can perform three movements within the UK, then has to leave. The long-term aim of the eu is to remove this restriction as it is contrary to the principle of free movement of labour, only concerted campaigning by French, Belgian and Dutch trades unions has managed to delay this thus far. However, when cabotage restrictions are finally removed, then all UK domestic movements will go the same way as international movements and be undertaken by Bulgarian, Romanian hauliers etc who will not even have to pay their drivers the UK national minimum wage, as they are not employed by British companies. So you couldn't really expect me to do anything other than vote to oppose this, in much the same way as you couldn't expect a Yorkshire coal miner in 1984 to vote for the local pit to be closed down and coal production moved to Poland. And that's who voted for Brexit, the working class, not middle-class toffs whose income is obtained by wearing a big ned nose and massively oversized shoes and driving around in a circle in a tent in a car whose doors fall off while being chased by a similarly attired co-worker blasting a Desmo car horn.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 1, 2018 18:04:05 GMT
Light commercial break
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Post by Jim on Oct 2, 2018 6:29:54 GMT
Unfortunately yes. But I love you all, misguided as you are. Its my job to keep you active, prevent dementia etc. You do all scurry about sometimes. 😂😂😂😂😂 Not misguided Jim, for me personally it's more about economic survival. In east Kent, where I lived for thirty years, there used to be a thriving British continental transport industry. Go back to the year 2000, and 75% of trucks crossing the English Channel were British-registered, now it is 12%. A load from Manchester to Milan, Liverpool to Lausanne, Plymouth to Perpignan, all will be done by eastern European hauliers nowadays, we simply cannot compete with their economic base. Everything from wages, to the cost of yard rental, to vehicle excise duty is based on the cost base pertaining to post-Communist economies. I have no animosity towards the drivers doing the job, in fact they live a life somewhat akin to modern slavery being away from home for over eleven months a year. It's a shame not being able to do a run down to Italy or Spain any more, but there is a much wider issue. At present, non-UK registered trucks cannot perform unlimited movements within the borders of a third-party country, such as the UK. This is called "cabotage". A foreign registered truck can perform three movements within the UK, then has to leave. The long-term aim of the eu is to remove this restriction as it is contrary to the principle of free movement of labour, only concerted campaigning by French, Belgian and Dutch trades unions has managed to delay this thus far. However, when cabotage restrictions are finally removed, then all UK domestic movements will go the same way as international movements and be undertaken by Bulgarian, Romanian hauliers etc who will not even have to pay their drivers the UK national minimum wage, as they are not employed by British companies. So you couldn't really expect me to do anything other than vote to oppose this, in much the same way as you couldn't expect a Yorkshire coal miner in 1984 to vote for the local pit to be closed down and coal production moved to Poland. And that's who voted for Brexit, the working class, not middle-class toffs whose income is obtained by wearing a big ned nose and massively oversized shoes and driving around in a circle in a tent in a car whose doors fall off while being chased by a similarly attired co-worker blasting a Desmo car horn. I see what you are saying, but using the circus is a bad example to illustrate your point, trad circus has always used the best talent wherever its from, so I am free to go and work in Europe if I have the skill and I want to do that.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 2, 2018 9:03:51 GMT
So you go to a circus in Romania or Slovakia, point to a clown and say "I'll do his job half price." The other clown is not going to be too enthusiastic about being shown the door, is he?
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Post by Jim on Oct 2, 2018 11:41:22 GMT
So you go to a circus in Romania or Slovakia, point to a clown and say "I'll do his job half price." The other clown is not going to be too enthusiastic about being shown the door, is he? It doesn't work like that. I see a job advertised, I apply. The chavs on the dole here could apply for the jobs the migrants apply for, or set up a takeaway or corner shop and run it with their family and friends working long hours to make a go of it, but they don't have the drive and gumption, preferring to sit about rolling a fat one and swilling white lightning, whinging that "the migrants have taken all the jobs and all signed on". As for the Greeks etc., coming here 2000 years ago, well not quite, but the Romans did, and we were all the better for it. You can't reconstruct history to suit your prejudices. Of course, the Britons went to Rome, as cheap slaves, putting local slaves out of work, who were oft to be heard proclaiming "Omnes illi in cibo sumpta et labore;" Plus ca change.... The Romans wouldn't eat local food or support the local culture either, they brought garlic and wine! Forcing us great brits to eat and sup foreign muck, instead of turnips and fomented cow piss. You'd think the Brits would have been sympathetic in later years, but no, the mores of the Great British Empire were imposed across half the planet. "You will all eat roast beef for brekky!"
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 2, 2018 14:09:38 GMT
Brits have fought for years to achieve decent working rights and conditions. Cheap Eastern European, and other foreign (such as the Thai workers in Finland doing the menial jobs such as cleaning, and picking cucumbers, and gathering bilberries from the forests) workers have literally flooded to Britain and are quite happy to undermine a proper wage and a safe and clean workplace. Their attitude stinks - they know full well they are shafting British workers, and they don't care. What's the difference between people arriving from (let's say) Eastern Europe and working for less wages than what is 'proper' for a Brit, and scabs who cross picket lines?
Why should people work "long hours"? Isn't 8 hours a day long enough?
Yes, lots of lazy and vile Brits - I'd suggest bulldozing the lot into the sea. However, not everyone on the dole is "lazy", and there are many qualified and educated people unemployed who, in my opinion, shouldn't be forced to clean the toilets in McDonalds - they should be placed in suitable positions, or suitable jobs made for them (otherwise what a waste of the studies and the money that paid for it all!).
In comparison with the Romans, what have the latest incomers brought to Britain? Anything useful? Apart from cheap labour. Any inventions? Have they improved the lot of workers in Britain? Formed Trade Unions? Camapigned for women's rights?
Well, I suppose it's what you want that counts. I'm not sure what kind of Britain you have in your mind, Jim, what kind of a country you want to live in. I have some idea of how I'd like things to be in the UK, and things I have seen that I consider wrong and I don't accept. We'll see how things go, won't we? But what do you think of corruption within the EU - do you not think it exists? MEPs on fat salaries:
"I hear tell of a certain MEP who turns up daily to sign the register with the car running to claim her 400 euros(?) a day then fucks off to do her shopping. T’was reported to the senior EU commissioner but no action was / has / will be taken. The reason? Said MEP is none other than Glenys Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead and her Husband – the commissioner is of course that stalwart of anti capitalism Neil Gordon Kinnock, Baron Kinnock. If I were to rob a shilling off the IR or take a carton of ciggies more than the allowance I would have my goods confiscated and be hounded by the IR for the shilling. Can anyone tell me how these two robbing bastards get away with it?"
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 2, 2018 14:20:28 GMT
However, not everyone on the dole is "lazy", there are many qualified and educated people unemployed who shouldn't be forced to clean the toilets in McDonalds Care to back these claims up with proof & factual links? 😉
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 2, 2018 14:27:55 GMT
Oh, all right then, everyone on the dole is a lazy good-for-nothing and should be chucked in a crusher and their mashed remains fed to pigs. Everyone who has been studious at school is assured of a fantastic career and will live happily ever after.
(bit of a rushed answer as expecting a Korean any moment, staying with us overnight - long distance cyclist, this time Nord Kapp (northern Norway) to Helsinki - left Bangkok 2.5 years ago and has cycled through 29 countries. Dog-in-a-wok this evening's meal!)
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