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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 18, 2018 10:12:48 GMT
OK then seeing as I have a vote or two as the new world minister for the environment I'll release a couple of more ideas.
Sales of bottled water banned in the U.K. and all other countries that has tap water considered safe to drink.
The use of motorcycles as the most efficient and least traffic causing single occupancy transport to be encouraged by a free road tax scheme and a government contribution towards the cost of a new motor cycle. Conversely, large cars to be hit with punishing new rates of tax.
Tax incentives given for the construction of smaller houses/ apartments with larger dwellings being hit with large taxes. People really don't need huge, heat inefficient by nature houses in order to lead a fulfilled life (ask us boaters!)
Any more followers yet?
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 18, 2018 10:44:30 GMT
OK then seeing as I have a vote or two as the new world minister for the environment I'll release a couple of more ideas. Sales of bottled water banned in the U.K. and all other countries that has tap water considered safe to drink. The use of motorcycles as the most efficient and least traffic causing single occupancy transport to be encouraged by a free road tax scheme and a government contribution towards the cost of a new motor cycle. Conversely, large cars to be hit with punishing new rates of tax. Tax incentives given for the construction of smaller houses/ apartments with larger dwellings being hit with large taxes. People really don't need huge, heat inefficient by nature houses in order to lead a fulfilled life (ask us boaters!) Any more followers yet? I agree 100% about bottled water. We never had plastic bottles of water when i was a yoof. It’s just a silly fad to always have a bottle or cup of something in your hand when out and about. And it pisses me off that a bottle water costs more than the same volume of petrol in a service station. Someone is making a lot of money out of polluting the planet. Anyway, this is not a very radical idea! Motorcycles are not particularly efficient unless you limit to very small cc. Modern small cars are incredibly efficient. And the trouble is that one 50cc bike can’t be used to transport the wife and kids and shopping (except in the Far East!). But anyway, aren’t the new duty rates pretty unfavourable to large expensive gas guzzlers? But yes, far to many enormous Chelsea tractors to transport mother and baby to/from the nursery. Large dwellings are already subject to more stamp duty and council tax. Doesn’t stop the Russians spending all their illicit money on London property though! But as a general point, some of your proposals are saying “rich people can afford to continue to squander the planet’s resources, we will make only the poor people change their ways”. Is that the sort of utopian society you want? |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 18, 2018 11:14:34 GMT
Oh right that wasn't my intention, I must have a rethink. Regarding the motor bikes though, I must disagree. Some of the modern 125cc versions (and that's all you need- it's transport) deliver in excess of 180 mpg. I agree that it's difficult to transport large families but as people will be having smaller ones anyway.... And, with a bit of thought a bike can do all kinds of things. Extending ladders can be carried upright off the back on purpose built racks. Trailers can be pulled behind, there's no reason why many tradespeople couldn't operate from a motor bike, it just needs a bit of thought. Maybe a disconnectable sidecar when large amounts of tools or paint or something need to be carried. It's all doable. We've become lazy, we all go out and buy huge cars and vans that clog up the streets then moan about the traffic, moan about the pollution, moan about how much everything costs...
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 18, 2018 11:58:08 GMT
Being back home until christmas, we're into domestic chores. In the 'old days' we used to put rubbish into a dustbin, and weekly, gentlemen would visit and empty the same. Anything more substantial, we took to the local dump ourselves. Then the council introduced wheelie bins and green wheelie bins for garden waste, but significantly reduced the frequency of collections. Now the council, having created the green bin system, have withdrawn it UNLESS you pay an additional £40 a year. It seems an underhand way of generating business, and superficially keeping council tax lower. I suppose the next stage, having created the market, is to contract the business of collection out. £40 a year's not much I know, but I'll revert to visiting the dump (which is also provided by council tax). Rog I think you've come to the wrong site. This is thunderboat.net You're looking for thunderingborers.co.uk |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 18, 2018 12:03:46 GMT
These schemes are just fiddling around the edges. Saving the world will begin when the realisation dawns that constant growth is unsustainable, and therefore no longer desirable. Just now the world is still fixated on growth, it's full steam ahead. Indeed. Sending another 2 litres of liquid diesel out of our exhaust pipe after lunch, it's a pre-emptive on Britain's future caliphate. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 12:37:29 GMT
I quite like the Lingyun and LIT self balancing two wheeled cars.
The ideal surface transport future would involve a ban on human drivers (driving test involves monitoring pulse if you have one you are not allowed to drive).
Autonomous self balancing electric two wheel vehicles like the Lingyun and LIT would take care of moving people about and they would return to the charging station once used. So no arguments at charging stations. 2 wheel vehicles take up less space. Like narrow boats.
Idiot yclists to be phased out/eradicated via speed sensing impotence-causing saddle implants.
And other things.
It does all need sorting out.
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Post by patty on Oct 18, 2018 13:01:11 GMT
I don't think I could balance me and my groceries on a motorbike.....
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 18, 2018 13:09:03 GMT
I don't think I could balance me and my groceries on a motorbike..... Course you could! You could get a big top box which would hold at least 10 bottles of wine. Other essentials like chocolate, crisps, cake and the like could go on a big rucksack on your back. You could put a magnetic bag on the petrol tank for small items like bags of pork scratchings the tempters near the check out. Simples! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 13:56:15 GMT
Technically it would be better to have some sort or underslung cage for the wine or beer or spirits. Keep the centre of gravity low is the key. A flexible vehicle production line would be able to tailor the design to the customer by just altering the storage areas and seat layout.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 18, 2018 14:02:59 GMT
Technically it would be better to have some sort or underslung cage for the wine or beer or spirits. Keep the centre of gravity low is the key. A flexible vehicle production line would be able to tailor the design to the customer by just altering the storage areas and seat layout. You make a good point. In south east Asia you often see bikes with wooden structures built around the back of them. These can serve various purposes but are often mini fast food restaurants and include a purpose built box to store bottled gas. It would be easy to convert said restaurant into a rolling wine rack with a lovely low centre of gravity. Just perfect. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 18, 2018 15:39:19 GMT
These schemes are just fiddling around the edges. Saving the world will begin when the realisation dawns that constant growth is unsustainable, and therefore no longer desirable. Just now the world is still fixated on growth, it's full steam ahead. But what is the morality of saying we can trundle around in our shiny cars, boats with all mod cons burning lots of fossil fuel for no particular reason, running heating and air conditioning, and yet resent the expanding 3rd world countries from wanting to have the same.
That would be terribly racist to wish other countries and their indigenous folk to be held back from the inventions, comforts and sheer luxuries of 'First World Countries', so not moral at all. I see these Cheshire villages are crammed full of Range Rovers and other posh cars, and I'm sure their owners are wringing their hands over the plight of the poorer nations. Still - what to do? Well, never mind, off to some restaurant for a slap-up meal. All Friends Around the Wrekin! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 16:03:02 GMT
Is it not slightly obtuse to sit in India and preach about how others should reduce their carbon footprint?
Time was that work etc was local. You lived in your own town. Transport was largely unnecessary.
I don't believe we can ever turn back the clock as far as personal transport goes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 16:04:21 GMT
Being back home until christmas, we're into domestic chores. In the 'old days' we used to put rubbish into a dustbin, and weekly, gentlemen would visit and empty the same. Anything more substantial, we took to the local dump ourselves. Then the council introduced wheelie bins and green wheelie bins for garden waste, but significantly reduced the frequency of collections. Now the council, having created the green bin system, have withdrawn it UNLESS you pay an additional £40 a year. It seems an underhand way of generating business, and superficially keeping council tax lower. I suppose the next stage, having created the market, is to contract the business of collection out. £40 a year's not much I know, but I'll revert to visiting the dump (which is also provided by council tax). Rog I think you've come to the wrong site. This is thunderboat.net You're looking for thunderingborers.co.uk Is that why you felt compelled to respond? Rog |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 18, 2018 17:25:35 GMT
Is it not slightly obtuse to sit in India and preach about how others should reduce their carbon footprint? Time was that work etc was local. You lived in your own town. Transport was largely unnecessary. I don't believe we can ever turn back the clock as far as personal transport goes. Rog I've already mentioned that I chose not to have kids, so that gives me a few credits. Plus I've bust my surfboard, not much to do, and I'm not getting any. There is a Danish girl but she's a few years older than me and not sure if I want to really. I kind of regret standing up for her the other night when this bloke who considers himself to be the managing director of Varkala (the place I'm staying), a sort of cross between a 'life coach' and Jesus spent about half an hour trying to convince her that he could solve all her problems in a one hour session of 'coaching'. She wasn't having any of it but on and on he went. I'd had enough and intervened, told him to back off, she wasn't interested. He then spoke to me as if he was a schoolteacher and me an unruly student which made me see red, first time in a very long time. She's been a bit like a limpit since and although she's nice to have as a friend, I'm not sure I want to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 20:11:51 GMT
I wasn't meaning to have a pop, but just underline that it's always easy to point out others excesses, whilst over looking our own as being unavoidable.
Rog
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