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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 8, 2018 14:00:07 GMT
Rubbish, . . look at the photo, there's nothing on those gates for a stem fender to catch on. The protruding bottom plate that passes for the chine on most if not all modern boats is jammed in the joint gap between the second and third courses of stone below the copings. I wouldn't know, I wasn't there, just going by what an eye witness reported. Yes, I think you have to be there to see just what it's all about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 14:18:49 GMT
I think TD is on the money. No need to be there in person just look at the position the boat has ended up in. Its not a bow fender problem.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2018 15:22:40 GMT
I wouldn't know, I wasn't there, just going by what an eye witness reported. Yes, I think you have to be there to see just what it's all about. The description of the incident as posted was- John Gallimore- An incident from yesterday, bow button caught on the bottom gate while emptying. Fortunately no casualties, and when the bow disengaged the boat dropped and floated. It was hauled out very quickly as the engine bay vents were under water. The pound below was emptied and the boat bailed out and refloated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:32:16 GMT
Sounds like there were some quick thinking people about and a positive end result.
In the photo it does look wedged and that seems a long way to fall after "disengaging". I don't think its a fender problem though it could be.
A good outcome I would say if the detail is accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 15:34:33 GMT
The obvious way to find out is if we can get a source for the story and the photo there is a fair chance there are more pictures of it I would of thought.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 8, 2018 15:48:11 GMT
I suppose after being 'wetted' that's it for the boat. Maybe the engine can be saved, although the electrics will have to be replaced. But the rest of the boat will have to be gutted as otherwise everything will be turning mouldy. All that rubbish into landfill - nothing quite like 'saving the environment', is there?
The juicy details are what caused this to happen? Not paying attention? How exactly?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 8, 2018 16:05:33 GMT
Yes indeed, but thanks to a witness, the Lockie in question was declared innocent by CRT and is thankfully still one of their number although since then, they all disappear when "that prick" comes through. The whole thing was talked-up and dramatized, largely by Fincher and a collection of like-minded twerps on CWDF, into some sort of near disaster which was was averted only through the heroic efforts of himself and his crew, whereas in truth it would never have happened at all if the lock had been worked properly by a maximum of two people who knew just what they were doing. As I've indicated in another post, the fact that locks are now worked so ponderously and slowly is a major factor in the number of sinkings and near go's that occur round locks these days. Speed of lock operation has two positive, beneficial effects. Not only does whipping paddles up smartish and doing it pretty much coincidental with or slightly before closing gates at the other end create flushes that run up and down along the chamber, keeping the boats slightly on the move throughout the process and thereby minimizing the chances of getting caught up on anything, but the very fact that everything is happening much faster tends to focus people's concentration on the job in hand.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Dec 8, 2018 16:30:51 GMT
Yes, I think you have to be there to see just what it's all about. The description of the incident as posted was- John Gallimore- An incident from yesterday, bow button caught on the bottom gate while emptying. Fortunately no casualties, and when the bow disengaged the boat dropped and floated. It was hauled out very quickly as the engine bay vents were under water. The pound below was emptied and the boat bailed out and refloated. Utter tripe, . . . anyone who believes that a few links of 1/8'' or even 3/16" chain through a rope fender, which might have been wedged between two vertical, wooden fender boards, are capable of holding one end of a steel canalboat of that size several feet clear of the water is as daft as whoever posted that nonsense in the first place. The boat, as the photo clearly shows, was jammed in the acute angle between the gate and the recess in the chamber wall with it's protruding bottom plate stuck in the joint between two courses of stonework at the corner of the gate recess. Somewhat similar, in fact, to the cause of numerous hang-ups and at least one sinking at a similarly constructed lock further along the same canal at Bank Newton.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 8, 2018 16:35:39 GMT
As I've indicated in another post, the fact that locks are now worked so ponderously and slowly is a major factor in the number of sinkings and near go's that occur round locks these days. Speed of lock operation has two positive, beneficial effects. Not only does whipping paddles up smartish and doing it pretty much coincidental with or slightly before closing gates at the other end create flushes that run up and down along the chamber, keeping the boats slightly on the move throughout the process and thereby minimizing the chances of getting caught up on anything, but the very fact that everything is happening much faster tends to focus peoples concentration on the job in hand. On these points we are entirely in agreement. There is far too much pissing about at locks by people who don’t really know what they are doing and are so terrified of doing the wrong thing or possibly have the boat bob about a bit, that they fall not a stupor and do something stupid. Or just do something stupid because they are stupid.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2018 16:43:34 GMT
The juicy details are what caused this to happen? Not paying attention? How exactly? Presumably distracted in some way and didn't notice the boat listing. Somebody on NRM speculated that the boater may have been setting the next lock when it happened, although that is pure speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 16:52:11 GMT
The description of the incident as posted was- John Gallimore- An incident from yesterday, bow button caught on the bottom gate while emptying. Fortunately no casualties, and when the bow disengaged the boat dropped and floated. It was hauled out very quickly as the engine bay vents were under water. The pound below was emptied and the boat bailed out and refloated. Utter tripe, . . . anyone who believes that a few links of 1/8'' or even 3/16" chain through a rope fender, which might have been wedged between two vertical, wooden fender boards, are capable of holding one end of a steel canalboat of that size several feet clear of the water is as daft as whoever posted that nonsense in the first place. The boat, as the photo clearly shows, was jammed in the acute angle between the gate and the recess in the chamber wall with it's protruding bottom plate stuck in the joint between two courses of stonework at the corner of the gate recess. Somewhat similar, in fact, to the cause of numerous hang-ups and at least one sinking at a similarly constructed lock further along the same canal at Bank Newton. Breaking loads for the following stainless Steel chains. 3mm = 280 kg 4mm = 800 kg 5mm = 1250 kg. www.gsproducts.co.uk/a4-stainless-steel-short-link-chain-marine-grade/16mm chain will let go at 13000 kg. Tony has a point
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 8, 2018 16:55:24 GMT
The description of the incident as posted was- John Gallimore- An incident from yesterday, bow button caught on the bottom gate while emptying. Fortunately no casualties, and when the bow disengaged the boat dropped and floated. It was hauled out very quickly as the engine bay vents were under water. The pound below was emptied and the boat bailed out and refloated. Utter tripe, . . . anyone who believes that a few links of 1/8'' or even 3/16" chain through a rope fender, which might have been wedged between two vertical, wooden fender boards, are capable of holding one end of a steel canalboat of that size several feet clear of the water is as daft as whoever posted that nonsense in the first place. I appreciate that you are in the advanced stages of senile dementia Tony, but I didn't actually make any comment as to whether or not I gave this statement any credibility, simply pointed out what was posted elsewhere.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 8, 2018 17:32:33 GMT
Utter tripe, . . . anyone who believes that a few links of 1/8'' or even 3/16" chain through a rope fender, which might have been wedged between two vertical, wooden fender boards, are capable of holding one end of a steel canalboat of that size several feet clear of the water is as daft as whoever posted that nonsense in the first place. The boat, as the photo clearly shows, was jammed in the acute angle between the gate and the recess in the chamber wall with it's protruding bottom plate stuck in the joint between two courses of stonework at the corner of the gate recess. Somewhat similar, in fact, to the cause of numerous hang-ups and at least one sinking at a similarly constructed lock further along the same canal at Bank Newton. Breaking loads for the following stainless Steel chains. 3mm = 280 kg 4mm = 800 kg 5mm = 1250 kg. www.gsproducts.co.uk/a4-stainless-steel-short-link-chain-marine-grade/16mm chain will let go at 13000 kg. Tony has a point I've been told to hacksaw through one of our front button-fender chain links, so that if the front of the boat gets hung up, that link will most definitely open.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 17:34:44 GMT
I've been told to hacksaw through one of our front button-fender chain links, so that if the front of the boat gets hung up, that link will most definitely open. A weak link - we all have one or two of those in our lives - luckily mine are all at work and I’m only exposed to them for 40 hours a week
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 8, 2018 17:40:22 GMT
I haven't done it yet, trusting to our judgement - at 40' it's a bit unlikely, with us watching, that our boat will get anywhere near either back or front gates. Anyway, as you say, the little chain we have will surely snap anyway. The least of our worries, that.
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