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Post by Jim on Dec 9, 2018 15:29:44 GMT
Any assistance offered going uphill is refused -,too many only do it to rush you through for their benefit rather than out of genuinely wanting to help a solo boater. Too easy to get tossed around in the mailstrom caused by enthusiastic racking of the paddles. However- any assistance going downhill is greatly received, you can’t cock up pressing a button when emptying the lock pen - and being forced to wait by a timer before you can press it again helps 👌👍 I gently refuse offers of help going up hill or down hill, just for peace of mind. Especially from people who are in a rush and trying to speed me up. There are swing bridges on the Leeds and Liverpool that are impossible to do on your own ( controls on the off side.) So you have to recruit a willng member of the public. But I'm going off topic now, we are talking about boats in locks. Well, the swing bridges may appear impossible to an inexperienced solo boater. Take the bow up to bridge, climb off with rope in hand, tie off, open bridge, pull boat through, get off with stern rope, shut bridge, untie, climb back on, carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 15:51:22 GMT
Rope? How very dare you sir. Its a "line of cordage".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 15:57:56 GMT
Also, some people frown on using the boat to move gates due to causing potential damage. Such as the people who actually make these gates at Stanley Ferry! I asked them and they said definitely DO NOT open gates with your boat, this is how the holes ("John Wayne's legs") are formed. If anyone knows, surely it is these people! Bollocks most of the wear on the gates is caused by narrowboaters only using one gate and not being able to steer through the gap and rubbing on the other gate
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 9, 2018 16:28:20 GMT
Bollocks yourself. If you open gates by pushing with the nose of a boat, of course the gates will run down the sides of your boat. "Not being able to steer" - it's impossible to steer accurately when wind and water currents are affecting you, and you are going to touch that gate anyway when there's just a 1 millimetre gap. Having seen gates being made at Stanley Ferry, I lift my hat to the City & Guilds craftsmen, and now we try to avoid rubbing gates, and we prefer opening and closing them by hand. Just have a look at many bridges to see chunks missing from 'competent' narrowboaters.
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2018 16:38:54 GMT
I gently refuse offers of help going up hill or down hill, just for peace of mind. Especially from people who are in a rush and trying to speed me up. There are swing bridges on the Leeds and Liverpool that are impossible to do on your own ( controls on the off side.) So you have to recruit a willng member of the public. But I'm going off topic now, we are talking about boats in locks. Well, the swing bridges may appear impossible to an inexperienced solo boater. Take the bow up to bridge, climb off with rope in hand, tie off, open bridge, pull boat through, get off with stern rope, shut bridge, untie, climb back on, carry on. Yes the manual ones are like this, but the ones with electric control need someone on the off side pressing buttons. Or are you just practising the old art of teaching your grandma how to suck eggs?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 9, 2018 16:43:52 GMT
The Leeds & Liverpool Canal was never going to one for efficiency with all those swing bridges. Why didn't the lazy buggers build proper bridges in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:56:22 GMT
I gently refuse offers of help going up hill or down hill, just for peace of mind. Especially from people who are in a rush and trying to speed me up. There are swing bridges on the Leeds and Liverpool that are impossible to do on your own ( controls on the off side.) So you have to recruit a willng member of the public. But I'm going off topic now, we are talking about boats in locks. Well, the swing bridges may appear impossible to an inexperienced solo boater. Take the bow up to bridge, climb off with rope in hand, tie off, open bridge, pull boat through, get off with stern rope, shut bridge, untie, climb back on, carry on. Isn't Rachel of Naughtycal fame an authority on this subject?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:57:25 GMT
Bollocks yourself. If you open gates by pushing with the nose of a boat, of course the gates will run down the sides of your boat. "Not being able to steer" - it's impossible to steer accurately when wind and water currents are affecting you, and you are going to touch that gate anyway when there's just a 1 millimetre gap. Having seen gates being made at Stanley Ferry, I lift my hat to the City & Guilds craftsmen, and now we try to avoid rubbing gates, and we prefer opening and closing them by hand. Just have a look at many bridges to see chunks missing from 'competent' narrowboaters. Open both bloody gates like I have to then.
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2018 17:01:52 GMT
Well, the swing bridges may appear impossible to an inexperienced solo boater. Take the bow up to bridge, climb off with rope in hand, tie off, open bridge, pull boat through, get off with stern rope, shut bridge, untie, climb back on, carry on. Isn't Rachel of Naughtycal fame an authority on this subject? I think Jim has taken on the baten and is Thunderboats resident expert on the subject.
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Post by Jim on Dec 9, 2018 17:04:11 GMT
Well, the swing bridges may appear impossible to an inexperienced solo boater. Take the bow up to bridge, climb off with rope in hand, tie off, open bridge, pull boat through, get off with stern rope, shut bridge, untie, climb back on, carry on. Yes the manual ones are like this, but the ones with electric control need someone on the off side pressing buttons. Or are you just practising the old art of teaching your grandma how to suck eggs? No not at all, just teaching someone who thought it impossible. It isn't. Climb off the bows onto the bridge, as I said. Then work the controls. Then pull boat through, or climb back on and motor through, etc. I'm genuinely surprised you don't know how to do it. A grandma that can't suck eggs. But then you don't have to work many bridges cming on the L&L. Naughty cals instructions were to do with lift bridges.
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2018 17:06:19 GMT
Yes the manual ones are like this, but the ones with electric control need someone on the off side pressing buttons. Or are you just practising the old art of teaching your grandma how to suck eggs? No not at all, just teaching someone who thought it impossible. It isn't. Climb off the bows onto the bridge, as I said. Then work the controls. Then pull boat through, or climb back on and motor through, etc. I'm genuinely surprised you don't know how to do it. A grandma that can't suck eggs. Bollocks
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Post by Jim on Dec 9, 2018 17:18:11 GMT
Stop being a dick! Here's a video
And some more instructions from someone else.
1) If possible moor on the operational side and operate as normal 2) If not, stop at the landing stage
3) Cross the bridge taking your bow rope with you
4) Open bridge and pull bow across to you
5) Walk down gunwale and power boat through bridge
6) Stop just through bridge and get off onto abutment with stern rope
7) Close bridge, get back on and go.
There's no need for any tying up with this method.
So it's not just me that knows it is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:20:41 GMT
Stop being a dick! Here's a video And some more instructions from someone else. 1) If possible moor on the operational side and operate as normal 2) If not, stop at the landing stage 3) Cross the bridge taking your bow rope with you 4) Open bridge and pull bow across to you 5) Walk down gunwale and power boat through bridge 6) Stop just through bridge and get off onto abutment with stern rope 7) Close bridge, get back on and go. There's no need for any tying up with this method. So it's not just me that knows it is possible. Are they Rachel's instructions?
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Post by kris on Dec 9, 2018 17:21:59 GMT
Yes I'm aware of the technique. Let me ask you Jim how many swing bridges have you been through like this with a full size L&L boat? Ie 60ft by 14ft. I can name five bridges that it is impossible to do this with. Do you think I spent seven years on the L&L without learning anything?You are actually trying to teach your grandma to suck eggs, as I thought originally. So. Say again your talking
Bollocks
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Post by Jim on Dec 9, 2018 17:23:35 GMT
Stop being a dick! Here's a video And some more instructions from someone else. 1) If possible moor on the operational side and operate as normal 2) If not, stop at the landing stage 3) Cross the bridge taking your bow rope with you 4) Open bridge and pull bow across to you 5) Walk down gunwale and power boat through bridge 6) Stop just through bridge and get off onto abutment with stern rope 7) Close bridge, get back on and go. There's no need for any tying up with this method. So it's not just me that knows it is possible. Are they Rachel's instructions? Keep up at the back, they were for Lift Bridges.
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