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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 8, 2019 19:19:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 20:02:59 GMT
I assume a 10/11 year old boat with 800 genuine hours on the engine will be fairly easy to spot. Similarly a boat of that age that's done thousands of hours, but the hour clock says 800, will be equally easy to spot. But my point/question was rather, if you're on a permanent mooring with hook-up, is the engine irrelevant? Rog My reply is a bit like Stabby except I’d say if you don’t want to do any boating. then yes, the engine is irrelevant. |
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Post by mouse on Jan 8, 2019 20:44:55 GMT
Gazza said: mouse has done a reasonable amount in 2018, he hasn’t left the confines of the Great Ouse so 👍 up to him 🍻 Looked in log. Dewinterised 10/3/18 Fuel system refitted and a trip to Ely 12 miles return. Hourmeter fitted May bank hol weekend. Hulling about in the summer especially after Gazza waved a magic wand at the starter motor. Winterised for the second time this winter after a trip to Ely for lunch with Gazza and Dwarf on 27/12/18. 22 visits 54 days on boat 345.5 miles done and 72.8 on the hour meter.  |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 8, 2019 20:55:18 GMT
Tricky - if you have 240v from the shore and don't need your engine until the next cruise, how to look after the engine? Is it really good to have it standing doing nothing? Won't the piston rings gradually start rusting themselves onto the cylinder liners? Even if you start the engine and have it running for a while, say, once a week, it'll just be running in idle. OK, you could rev it up a bit, but that's not the same as driving and 'being under strain' and being driven at all kinds of various speeds.
What would be great is if there were a proper big engine workshop where there were real mechanics who could strip any engine to pieces and machine any new components/parts needed. That's what's really needed, people who aren't afraid to tear engines apart and check the valves and pistons and governor bearings and all the other bits 'n' pieces. But it should be done quickly and at reasonable cost. I had another dream last night, but that was about crossing a rough sea in Russia in a skip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 21:07:17 GMT
Tricky - if you have 240v from the shore and don't need your engine until the next cruise, how to look after the engine? Is it really good to have it standing doing nothing? Won't the piston rings gradually start rusting themselves onto the cylinder liners? Even if you start the engine and have it running for a while, say, once a week, it'll just be running in idle. OK, you could rev it up a bit, but that's not the same as driving and 'being under strain' and being driven at all kinds of various speeds. What would be great is if there were a proper big engine workshop where there were real mechanics who could strip any engine to pieces and machine any new components/parts needed. That's what's really needed, people who aren't afraid to tear engines apart and check the valves and pistons and governor bearings and all the other bits 'n' pieces. But it should be done quickly and at reasonable cost. I had another dream last night, but that was about crossing a rough sea in Russia in a skip. Weve been through this before. Properly winterised engines are perfectly happy left well alone. More harm than good is done running them up when they don't need be. Even neglected old nails don't mind be left to their own devices too much. Shagged batteries excepted. If I were you I'd stay off the strong cheese before bed. |
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Post by JohnV on Jan 8, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
Not sure what the hours are on Sabina's engine as had a fault on the control panel a couple of years ago and after repair the hours had zeroed.
Fairly irrelevant anyway as still very low and most of them in the last 3 years.
The engine is never used for battery charging. Even when it is running it normally is only being used for charging the engine batteries. The solar panels normally supply all the power needed in the summer with the generators for any extra requirement. I am fortunate that this winter hidey hole has shore power
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Post by peterboat on Jan 8, 2019 22:38:50 GMT
Tricky - if you have 240v from the shore and don't need your engine until the next cruise, how to look after the engine? Is it really good to have it standing doing nothing? Won't the piston rings gradually start rusting themselves onto the cylinder liners? Even if you start the engine and have it running for a while, say, once a week, it'll just be running in idle. OK, you could rev it up a bit, but that's not the same as driving and 'being under strain' and being driven at all kinds of various speeds. What would be great is if there were a proper big engine workshop where there were real mechanics who could strip any engine to pieces and machine any new components/parts needed. That's what's really needed, people who aren't afraid to tear engines apart and check the valves and pistons and governor bearings and all the other bits 'n' pieces. But it should be done quickly and at reasonable cost. I had another dream last night, but that was about crossing a rough sea in Russia in a skip. Weve been through this before. Properly winterised engines are perfectly happy left well alone. More harm than good is done running them up when they don't need be. Even neglected old nails don't mind be left to their own devices too much. Shagged batteries excepted. If I were you I'd stay off the strong cheese before bed. On my boat at the end of the season I serviced the engine, engines stood like clean oil as its acid and dirt free, I run longlife antifreeze so have no issues their, and the first fuel filter filter is changed as well. The only winter running it would then do is the new year trip maybe 20 hours? so oil still clean on return. Leisure battery was jump leaded to the starter battery as well. The whispergen/battery charger takes care of keeping batteries charged and central heating. That covers it I think? |
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Post by peterboat on Jan 8, 2019 22:43:30 GMT
Our previous boat had no hour meter but we did take her out for at least a week at a time every month. When we bought our NB the 1st year we only did short trips as we were "getting it sorted", but then again we were cruising a week at a time every month and clocked up, about 600 hours over 6 years, sadly as you know Chris's health took a dive which meant very little cruising got done as we needed to be somewhere accessible for an ambulance plus later she was pretty much boatbound Didn't need the engine as we had shore power but I did run it from time to time so it would remember what it was supposed to do. Boat was built in 1991 and sat on the hard until we bought her in 2011, so an old boat with not a lot of hours. While I'm here, on the subject of Chris's health, after some false starts they found a new drug and she had her last chemo session on New Years Day, saw consultant 3 days later who was ecstatic that blood test showed it was working as they hoped. We are not out of the woods yet but it is looking very promising so fingers crossed that the status quo remain a so Phil Brilliant Phil couldnt be happier for the two of you |
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Post by phil70 on Jan 8, 2019 23:33:51 GMT
Ref leaving engines to their own devices, our boat as I said was on the hard for 19 years, engine hours zero but the only issue we had was the head gasket had started to break down. Easy enough to replace and had the chance to look at the bored which showed a slight discoloration due to rust where it had it must sat, a swift polish with some worn out 600 grit paper and all was well. Smoke free running. Glad I didn't follow all the advice about skimming and re-boring, as an engineer I knew she would be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:21:06 GMT
Weve been through this before. Properly winterised engines are perfectly happy left well alone. More harm than good is done running them up when they don't need be. Even neglected old nails don't mind be left to their own devices too much. Shagged batteries excepted. If I were you I'd stay off the strong cheese before bed. On my boat at the end of the season I serviced the engine, engines stood like clean oil as its acid and dirt free, I run longlife antifreeze so have no issues their, and the first fuel filter filter is changed as well. The only winter running it would then do is the new year trip maybe 20 hours? so oil still clean on return. Leisure battery was jump leaded to the starter battery as well. The whispergen/battery charger takes care of keeping batteries charged and central heating. That covers it I think? As you say, sitting in clean oil is better than used oil - but leaving it in used oil is better than firing it up randomly We have a 50w solar panel that keeps the start battery fully charged, the domestics will get a zap when I'm down after work if i have the little Honda genny on, otherwise they get a charge on a Sunday when we go for a drink in the bar and the big Perkins genny is on, everyone's a winner! These days with cheap solar there is no need to run an engine to charge batteries on a boat that sits for months on it's mooring |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 7:30:52 GMT
Gazza said: mouse has done a reasonable amount in 2018, he hasn’t left the confines of the Great Ouse so 👍 up to him 🍻 Looked in log. Dewinterised 10/3/18 Fuel system refitted and a trip to Ely 12 miles return. Hourmeter fitted May bank hol weekend. Hulling about in the summer especially after Gazza waved a magic wand at the starter motor. Winterised for the second time this winter after a trip to Ely for lunch with Gazza and Dwarf on 27/12/18. 22 visits 54 days on boat 345.5 miles done and 72.8 on the hour meter. All the fun starts again properly in April |
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Post by patty on Jan 9, 2019 7:52:03 GMT
Our previous boat had no hour meter but we did take her out for at least a week at a time every month. When we bought our NB the 1st year we only did short trips as we were "getting it sorted", but then again we were cruising a week at a time every month and clocked up, about 600 hours over 6 years, sadly as you know Chris's health took a dive which meant very little cruising got done as we needed to be somewhere accessible for an ambulance plus later she was pretty much boatbound Didn't need the engine as we had shore power but I did run it from time to time so it would remember what it was supposed to do. Boat was built in 1991 and sat on the hard until we bought her in 2011, so an old boat with not a lot of hours. While I'm here, on the subject of Chris's health, after some false starts they found a new drug and she had her last chemo session on New Years Day, saw consultant 3 days later who was ecstatic that blood test showed it was working as they hoped. We are not out of the woods yet but it is looking very promising so fingers crossed that the status quo remain a so Phil Thats really good news..hope all continues in a positive way... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 9:15:33 GMT
So the boats for sale at 10/11 years of age with next to no engine hours, would be a good sign in your view?
Obviously the condition of the engine 'ole will tell you a lot about how it's been cared for, and the engine hours alone doesn't mean everything.
I would have considered a well used engine but looking like it's been well cared for would be a much more attractive proposition.
Rog
ETA I do realise the situation will vary boat to boat. I would have to run the engine to charge batteries and heat water, even whilst hooked -up.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 9, 2019 9:35:28 GMT
Tricky - if you have 240v from the shore and don't need your engine until the next cruise, how to look after the engine? Is it really good to have it standing doing nothing? Won't the piston rings gradually start rusting themselves onto the cylinder liners? Even if you start the engine and have it running for a while, say, once a week, it'll just be running in idle. OK, you could rev it up a bit, but that's not the same as driving and 'being under strain' and being driven at all kinds of various speeds. What would be great is if there were a proper big engine workshop where there were real mechanics who could strip any engine to pieces and machine any new components/parts needed. That's what's really needed, people who aren't afraid to tear engines apart and check the valves and pistons and governor bearings and all the other bits 'n' pieces. But it should be done quickly and at reasonable cost. I had another dream last night, but that was about crossing a rough sea in Russia in a skip. If I were you I'd stay off the ethylene glycol before bed. (but you recommended it, Gaz!) |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 9, 2019 11:10:29 GMT
So the boats for sale at 10/11 years of age with next to no engine hours, would be a good sign in your view? It's always been my understanding that an engine which has had little use is likely to become very problematic if it then starts getting regular use, and that long periods of inactivity cause deterioration of seals etc. |
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