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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 17:40:52 GMT
Whether the board is satisfied is entirely their decision based on the reported facts. If not, they may pursue the matter. No mention of permission. Rog Fair point as kris said as well. Maybe the word "discretionary" would be a better but at the end of the day your application to remain in reasonable circumstances could be refused if it did not satisfy the board which means it is effectively a permission-based arrangement even if the actual word is not used. It depends on the language you use,if you phone up seeking permission then that's what you get. If you phone up telling them of the circumstances then there is no permission involved. Remember when you phone u you are not talking to the board, bot one employee of said entity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:41:17 GMT
Whether the board is satisfied is entirely their decision based on the reported facts. If not, they may pursue the matter. No mention of permission. Rog Fair point as kris said as well. Maybe the word "discretionary" would be a better but at the end of the day your application to remain in reasonable circumstances could be refused if it did not satisfy the board which means it is effectively a permission-based arrangement even if the actual word is not used. What you say suggests they can only take action when you're in situ, which isn't the case, so permission plays no part. But we're all interpreting the words, as they are not clear. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:47:00 GMT
Fair point as kris said as well. Maybe the word "discretionary" would be a better but at the end of the day your application to remain in reasonable circumstances could be refused if it did not satisfy the board which means it is effectively a permission-based arrangement even if the actual word is not used. It depends on the language you use,if you phone up seeking permission then that's what you get. If you phone up telling them of the circumstances then there is no permission involved. Remember when you phone u you are not talking to the board, bot one employee of said entity. Fair point about employees. Some employees seem to be given powers which extend beyond the actual wording of the law. Blind eye situation I guess. The fact the words "satisfy the board" are included in the legislation appears to imply that if they are not satisfied then you are not authorised. Seems suspiciously similar to permission but I accept it is not in reality.
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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 17:49:27 GMT
It's seems to be crt's way now to get boaters on the back foot. Having to ask for permission to overstay, issuing "river only liscence" rather than pleasure boat certificates. Issuing £150 a day charges for staying on their online moorings without permission and the time limited moorings that where introduced a few years ago. If you except it then that's what you get if you don't then you don't. I know quite a few cc'ers that ignore the 48hr mooring notices without issue because they know they are not enforceable in law and have pointed this out to the enforcement officers who are also aware of the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:56:44 GMT
Yes I agree its 14 days plus winter moorings are technically illegal of course. Or are they legal because of the satisfy the board clause?
Its when you go over 14 days I suspect it becomes more complicated and if you informed crt of an overstay but they declined to authorise it (give "permission") then it could get interesting if you remain in place assuming that you do not need to get permission or "satisfy the board". Worth a go I suppose if the made in China gearbox is broken and its going to take 11 months to get a replacement.
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Post by kris on Jan 22, 2019 18:02:47 GMT
Appprently the winter moorings aren't going to happen next year. which is a good thing in my opinion, if you want to stay stationery during winter get a marina berth. The winter moorings around here just reduce the number of visitor moorings for people who want to keep moving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:07:31 GMT
Yes I agree its 14 days plus winter moorings are technically illegal of course. Or are they legal because of the satisfy the board clause? Its when you go over 14 days I suspect it becomes more complicated and if you informed crt of an overstay but they declined to authorise it (give "permission") then it could get interesting if you remain in place assuming that you do not need to get permission or "satisfy the board". Worth a go I suppose if the made in China gearbox is broken and its going to take 11 months to get a replacement. It only gets complicated when folk like yourself take the piss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:10:01 GMT
Out of curiosity Nick, what’s the project? This is going to get technical!
Right well I have introduced Kobo e-readers running XCSoar (freeware gliding / moving map / tasking programme) to the club fleet. Cost about £30, and very readable in bright sunlight. Which is a bargain compared to commercial offerings which can be £500 or more. Then we have FLARM which is a collision avoidance system, with built in GPS and altitude sensor. And the FLARM has a data output in RS232 level NMEA format (bit like Garmins etc) which sends GPS position to the Kobos, and also a proprietary sentence that allows other gliders in the vicinity to be plotted on the moving map, with relative altitude, climb rate, red if collision risk etc. All of which is great except:
With only GPS position and velocity, but no heading or airspeed, the Kobo/XCSoar struggles to work out the wind, and only does so following prolonged circling (eg in a thermal). Without an accurate wind, it can't accurately predict arrival altitudes, nor direct speed to fly. Not a huge problem with thermal flights in Englandshire but a big deal in Scotland with high altitude wave flying (no circling) and very strong winds.
So my project is to get airspeed data into the Kobo, merged with the FLARM sentences. Once the Kobo/XCSoar knows true airspeed, it is really good at working out the wind with just a few heading changes. With proper total energy variometer data (as opposed to rate of change of GPS altitude) the vario and average built into XCSoar becomes useful.
So a PIC16F18326 microcontroller (about £1.30) programmed in C (Microchip's own IDE, which is free and very powerful), and 3 pressure sensors each of which has an I2C bus interface (so no difficult analogue electronics) and in order to work out true airspeed, an external temperature probe which I have chosen to be digital using the OneWire protocol. One pressure sensor is differential and gives full output with a pitot-static pressure equivalent to about 160kts. The other two are atmospheric pressure sensors (from 200 to 1200 hPa) with oversampling to give 24 bit resolution (which correlates to about 20cm altitude resolution). Also need a MAX3232 to convert to and from RS232 levels to 3.3v levels, and the usual bits and pieces.
PCB designed using DesignSpark which is RS's free PCB design software. Actual PCBs made in China and shipped to me within 6 days, for £29. Board size 76mm x 50mm, mostly surface mount.
Microprocessor builds a sentence (using a protocol called OpenVario) which contains vario, pitot pressure, static pressure and temperature data. It reads in the FLARM data stream, spitting it out again but waits for an end of sentence (carriage return line feed) and then inserts the OpenVario sentence, buffering any incoming FLARM data in the meantime. I'm sending the vario data at 4Hz and the rest at 1Hz. All works fine on the prototype, I got the boards back from China but ran out of time to fully solder the components on before we had to leave to come down to the boat. Looking forward to getting home to finish it.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 22, 2019 18:10:44 GMT
Out of curiosity Nick, what’s the project? This is going to get technical!
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haven't you got a window that you can stick a wet finger out ? That would give you wind direction and how cold it gets gives you speed .... simples
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:12:43 GMT
Yes I agree its 14 days plus winter moorings are technically illegal of course. Or are they legal because of the satisfy the board clause? Its when you go over 14 days I suspect it becomes more complicated and if you informed crt of an overstay but they declined to authorise it (give "permission") then it could get interesting if you remain in place assuming that you do not need to get permission or "satisfy the board". Worth a go I suppose if the made in China gearbox is broken and its going to take 11 months to get a replacement. It only gets complicated when folk like yourself take the piss. What? Eta Lord Charles you need to substantiate your accusation. accusing someone of being a pisstaker is very serious and could lead to legal action without substantiating evidence. Not just hearsay I'm talking evidence. The term "pisstaker" and "taking the piss" have been used so often over the years about certain boater behaviour that I believe it has become an abusive and libellous term. I am sure my rather expensive solicitors (yes they are the oldest law firm in england) will be able to pursue you for damages in this respect
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:14:51 GMT
Appprently the winter moorings aren't going to happen next year. which is a good thing in my opinion, if you want to stay stationery during winter get a marina berth. The winter moorings around here just reduce the number of visitor moorings for people who want to keep moving. Well that's good but it will presumably result in more enforcement procedures and less money into the CRT coffers so not ideal for the navigation itself. I don't use winter moorings so it makes no difference to me but it will have a negative impact on some people I'm sure.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 22, 2019 18:15:52 GMT
This is going to get technical!
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haven't you got a window that you can stick a wet finger out ? That would give you wind direction and how cold it gets gives you speed .... simples Hmmm, perhaps you are one of those who thinks that "relative wind" is what you get when you take your Aunty out for a curry. ( )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:16:48 GMT
.....and I thought the whole point of gliding was observing the elements with our natural senses and using the forces of nature to fly without relying on technical stuff.
I have wondered whether it would be possible to scan for thermals and thermal strength using some kind of radar system. The trouble is that battery power is rather limited in a glider!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:27:40 GMT
haven't you got a window that you can stick a wet finger out ? That would give you wind direction and how cold it gets gives you speed .... simples Hmmm, perhaps you are one of those who thinks that "relative wind" is what you get when you take your Aunty out for a curry. ( )
That reminds me of a really rude joke. The definition of relative humidity. Family forum so will stop there.
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Post by duncan on Jan 22, 2019 18:27:52 GMT
I'm lost. what offence are you comiting.by walking a dog without a poo bag. as long as you pick it surely no offence is committed. I was intrigued by that as well. Have some councils put it into bye laws that you must carry a small plastic bag? Quite shocking if true but it would explain the massive increase in the number of little decorations hanging in the trees. Eta I think its a shit idea personally. Many councils have brought in a bylaw stating that people can be fined if they are not carrying 2 bags, even before the dog has done its business. It comes under Public Space Protection Orders.
In public areas with PSPOs, you may have to:
keep your dog on a lead put your dog on a lead if told to by a police officer, police community support officer or someone from the council stop your dog going to certain places - like farmland or parts of a park limit the number of dogs you have with you (this applies to professional dog walkers too) clear up after your dog carry a poop scoop and disposable bags
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