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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 9:56:27 GMT
I don’t think a low turn out percentage reflects the Brexit argument much, but I think it does reflect how many people don’t care enough about politics (and politicians) as a whole. If they cared enough they would make an effort to vote. The fact is this, the Brexit party was 2 million votes clear of its nearest rival, and 4.5 million votes clear of the change party. Says it all, and no interpretation needed, just common sense and an acceptance of facts. I agree Steve but I am just trying to point out there are other big issues other than Brexit in all this. Like the fact that the public are getting increasingly fed up with our own political system, never mind the EU power games.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:03:11 GMT
Low turn out ... but in the EU elections it was an increase in turn out since the last one (across the EU). Jim response evidences that everyone will claim victory from the results. It doesn't progress us at all, apart from proving both major parties are serving no one but themselves. Any ideas how we end this? Rog Revolution or Military Coup seem to be quite popular options elsewhere I hope not, but if our government continues to ignore democracy, who knows? As I’ve suggested before, maybe we need to move away from party politics (and the party line towing which comes with it) and just vote in individuals who care about our country and the people in their constituency. ....pigs flying etc....
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Post by phil70 on May 27, 2019 10:06:39 GMT
I suppose the only problem with having no government is that the alternative is to hand the running of the country to those who run and invest billions in private companies. Actually it is already run by them, it’s just that our politicians are used as a tool to make it look like there is some kind of accountability and democracy. What we need are people who can stand up to the powers that be when they go off track and represent the wishes of the majority of the public. I genuinely believe there are good people in high places but sadly that’s not true for all of them (or us). Sadly most are in it for their own self interest. To quote Billy Connolly "The desire to become a politician should bar you from ever being one" A bit like wanting to be a moderater Phil
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2019 10:14:15 GMT
More remain votes than one trick pony Brexit party votes - anyone seen a manifesto? Of course we had Nige on the radio this morning claiming it was still 52/48, utter bollocks as usual. Labour would have made a better fist of it if they had plumped for remain, as their members wish. A classic reply and example of how social media completely corrupts what is happening in the real world. ? As meaningful as fox's posts. You should be a politician.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:36:25 GMT
Sadly most are in it for their own self interest. To quote Billy Connolly "The desire to become a politician should bar you from ever being one" A bit like wanting to be a moderater Phil Yes, unfortunately nice kind shy types don’t want to go into politics. You need a certain amount of ego really and a lot of self confidence. That’s why I’m a bass player instead a lead guitarist.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:38:57 GMT
A classic reply and example of how social media completely corrupts what is happening in the real world. ? As meaningful as fox's posts. You should be a politician. No Jim it's you this time, twisting results to suit your agenda. Like it or not the Brexit party, without any manifesto other than get out of the EU, wiped the floor with ALL opposition. Spin it how you like, that's the result. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 27, 2019 10:46:36 GMT
? As meaningful as fox's posts. You should be a politician. No Jim it's you this time, twisting results to suit your agenda. Like it or not the Brexit party, without any manifesto other than get out of the EU, wiped the floor with ALL opposition. Spin it how you like, that's the result. Rog This seems to be how Remoaners are spinning it this morning, you add together all of the votes which weren't for the Brexit party and this proves that it was a victory for Remain. Cameron only promised a referendum in the first place because he saw the inexorable rise of UKIP and used the referendum as a delaying tactic, but if the Conservatives don't deliver Brexit, then my prediction is that at the next general election then the vote will go a similar way, i.e. a landslide for the Brexit party. Like it or not, we aren't going away.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2019 10:50:21 GMT
Do you mean Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? I believe that's his real name. Jim told us.
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2019 10:50:58 GMT
? As meaningful as fox's posts. You should be a politician. No Jim it's you this time, twisting results to suit your agenda. Like it or not the Brexit party, without any manifesto other than get out of the EU, wiped the floor with ALL opposition. Spin it how you like, that's the result. Rog Not spin, facts, 35% quit, 40% remain.
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2019 10:51:44 GMT
Do you mean Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? I believe that's his real name. Jim told us. For once, you are right. Keep it up.
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Post by phil70 on May 27, 2019 10:54:00 GMT
Do you mean Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? I believe that's his real name. Jim told us. Old ground Ross, too many public figures who are known by a name other than their given name to list, does it matter? Phil
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2019 10:55:41 GMT
I think it's time for an extra box on the polling form, 'None of the above' I think it's time for an extra box on the polling form, 'All of the above are arseholes and should have red hot mooring pins stuck in their eyes.'
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:57:38 GMT
No Jim it's you this time, twisting results to suit your agenda. Like it or not the Brexit party, without any manifesto other than get out of the EU, wiped the floor with ALL opposition. Spin it how you like, that's the result. Rog Not spin, facts, 35% quit, 40% remain. Sorry ... missed that result ... just remind me which party got 40% of the votes ? Oh I see you're spinning the results to evidence your own claim. You may not agree but it's childish to deny that the country is clearly split on leave/remain. Rog
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Post by JohnV on May 27, 2019 11:02:52 GMT
No Jim it's you this time, twisting results to suit your agenda. Like it or not the Brexit party, without any manifesto other than get out of the EU, wiped the floor with ALL opposition. Spin it how you like, that's the result. Rog Not spin, facts, 35% quit, 40% remain. Jim, I understand that you wish us to remain in the EU ..... but that is your most idiotic statement to date 32% voted unequivocally for a "leave" backing a party that didn't exist 6 weeks ago, has no well organised party machine. only the Lib Dems was unequivocally "remain" and had 20% There is no way to tell what the percentages of leave/remains were in the other parties as there were all sorts of reasons for people to vote for them other than Brexit. Personally I thought the Liberals might have done better, as in the past, they have always been the "protest" party ..... The ones you vote for when you don't want to vote for the party you normally support and can't bare to vote for the the other main party. This time however it was Brexit !!!
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Post by naughtyfox on May 27, 2019 11:06:43 GMT
Do you mean Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? I believe that's his real name. Jim told us. Old ground I believe it has passed you by whilst you were having your afternoon nap a couple of weeks ago.
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