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Post by Jim on Oct 7, 2019 6:16:40 GMT
Well, basically if you said to me "Could you phone CRT and pay my boat licence for me?" then I could phone them, quote your boat licence or customer licence number and give them my debit card details and voila, your boat would be licenced. Tony is just talking his usual bollocks. Thanks! Very generous of you Vince. My licence number is 5******. Let's try it - but please don't make your dear old Mum pay this time like you did …. met x I presume the rest of your licence number will be posted one digit at a time "for security reasons" 😉.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 7, 2019 6:26:03 GMT
National Security you mean.
Keeping the Bat Cave location a secret!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 9, 2019 8:20:31 GMT
There have been some comments on my perceived mishandling of the BSC Exemption, but I have in fact followed the procedure laid down and published by C&RT themselves both in print and on their website : canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/library/733.pdfThe one and only action specified on that application form but not complied with is the requirement to attach a recent photograph as an aid to confirmation of the vessel's identity, . . hardly necessary, given that C&RT already have a selection of photo's of the boat showing the name, index number, and the envelope containing the Section 8 Notice they affixed to it with a cable-tie. Add to that the two recent visits to the boat by local 'Licence Support' staff serving Court papers, plus a recent 'drive by' inspection by Gauleiter Garner himself on their patrol launch, and it really does beg the question - how much more in the way of means of identification can they reasonably demand or need ? As of last Friday, 4 Oct 2019, there are now at least six members of C&RT staff, known of through their inclusion as recipients of related e-mails - Matthew Aymes, Stuart Garner, Lucy Barry, Amanda Stratford, Ben Ashdown, and Sarah Madden, all making strenuous efforts to not issue me with the PBC the law demands. The last named on that list, Sarah Madden, sent the following enquiry last Friday, which in itself is something of an oddity. I made no phone call to any department of C&RT during the whole of the week which included Tuesday 27 August 2019, but I do know that a well-wisher, concerned that I was risking being held in contempt of Court and/or 'losing' my boat, did call C&RT on Thursday 29 August offering to apply for and to pay for one of their fictitious Rivers Only Licences on my behalf : Mr Dunkley
Could you please confirm who took the photos of your boat, which you mentioned when you rang via Customer Services on 27th August 2019?
Kind Regards
Sarah C L Madden Boat Licence Team _____________________________________________________
To which I have replied : In the Nottingham County Court - Claim No C10NG401 FAO. Sarah Madden - Boat Licence Team
Dear Ms. Madden,
Reference your query of Friday 4 October 2019 with regard to identification photographs of 'Halcyon Daze' - Index No. 52721.
The Trust's Mr S. Garner has been accumulating photographs of this boat since January 2014, when his personally motivated campaign to have me and my boat removed from the waterways under the Trust's control first began.
In addition to the photographic identification evidence already in the Trust's possession there have been two recent visits to the boat by a member of C&RT staff serving Court related paperwork, as well as a recent sighting of the vessel on it's private mooring at Barton-in-Fabis from the Trust's own inspection launch.
Further photographic identification of this vessel for the purposes of temporarily exempting it from the requirement to hold a current Boat Safety Certificate is therefore quite unnecessary and utterly superfluous.
Please expedite without further delay the issuing of the Pleasure Boat Certificate which was applied for by means of my e-mail sent to Customer Services, and marked for the attention of the Boat Licensing Team on Thursday 3 October last.
Signed, A.K.Dunkley.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 9, 2019 10:02:29 GMT
I wonder if they are having a good snigger and taking bets of who can come up with the next best excuse to keep this charade going.
Yet every second boat we pass on the K&A has an out of date licence displayed, or none displayed at all, as well as out of date mooring permits. I suppose it's just too easy here to grab the piss-takers, akin to shooting fish in a barrel.
Are these unlicenced boats all friends of people in CRT?
Why is CRT doing not hauling these parasites off the canal and fining them for money owed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 10:16:58 GMT
Loads of boats have no license displayed but are licensed. If the number is displayed anyone can find out in the blink of an eye if it's licensed.
If the number is not displayed that's a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 10:17:54 GMT
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Post by Jim on Oct 9, 2019 10:52:13 GMT
But that spoils the fun for those who wish to be pedantically picky and find fault wherever possible with their fellow boaters. You can always spot the type, oily hands and greasy slide rails.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 9, 2019 15:51:57 GMT
If the number is displayed anyone can find out in the blink of an eye if it's licensed. I have just tried that. But no matter how many times I blink, I still don’t know if the boat is licensed. And my eyelid muscles are now sore.
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Post by kris on Oct 9, 2019 15:54:27 GMT
If the number is displayed anyone can find out in the blink of an eye if it's licensed. I have just tried that. But no matter how many times I blink, I still don’t know if the boat is licensed. And my eyelid muscles are now sore. very droll
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 10, 2019 7:02:26 GMT
. . . I wonder if they are having a good snigger and taking bets of who can come up with the next best excuse to keep this charade going. . . . . . . . . . I don't think any of them, individually or as a group, are fully aware of what they're doing or even capable of functioning the way any normal human being does, . . quite probably unemployable other than by an organization such as C&RT, . . and there are precious few of those ! I do, however, to get the impression that this particular item of three and a half year-old nonsense is beginning to be treated as a bit of a hot potato that nobody really wants in their lap for very long.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 10, 2019 7:33:57 GMT
It's easily resolved - in one day if wanted.
Then CRT could spend more effort into getting to grips with those not displaying licences, and a bit of dredging and fixing lock gates wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 10, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
It's easily resolved - in one day if wanted. Then CRT could spend more effort into getting to grips with those not displaying licences, and a bit of dredging and fixing lock gates wouldn't go amiss. Aah !!! but that would require some common sense. (the chances of finding that in CRT's mismanagement team would appear to be vanishingly small)
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 10, 2019 10:26:11 GMT
It's a joke with the Crofton flight of locks being padlocked to 'save water' when:
1. There are so few boats on the move.
2. Every set of lock gates is spurting water all over the place!
3. No water shortage - it's pouring over the gates.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 12, 2019 16:44:50 GMT
Most of what was sent via e-mail in the early part of this last week was studiously ignored by the Trust's Customer Licence Support and Legal 'Teams', . . . but the brief e-mail below, sent on Wednesday, elicited a somewhat interesting reply : In the Nottingham County Court - Claim No C10NG401Mr Aymes, On Friday 27 September 2019 I e-mailed you with the following request ; "Please forward by return either an application form for a Pleasure Boat Certificate, or advise of the alternative means by which the Trust proposes to facilitate the issuing of the PBC ordered by the Court on 15 August 2019." In the absence of a satisfactory response to the above request by close of business today Wednesday 2 October 2019, followed by the issuing of the appropriate Pleasure Boat Certificate in respect of the above mentioned vessel, an application to the Court seeking a stay of the Order made by HHJ Godsmark on 15 August 2019 pending the outcome of Appeal will be filed at the Nottingham Court. Signed, A. K. Dunkley.______________________________________________________Dear Mr Dunkley
I refer to your email below (above) to Mr Aymes and also copied to the court. I do not propose to copy this reply to the court, as it is not relevant to any current proceedings before the court and would therefore only be unnecessarily increasing court administration. If it becomes relevant at any later stage, it can be provided to the court in witness evidence as required.
You have been advised that your application for a licence cannot currently be processed because (1) you are refusing to pay the VAT element charged on the licence and (2) you have failed to produce the necessary documents to support your claim that the boat is BSC exempt; a further email has been sent to you today in this regard.
In relation to the VAT, you have failed to provide any cogent argument to support your contention and until you do so this issue will not be discussed any further. VAT remains payable on a River Only Licence and I refer you to s43(3) of the Transport Act 1962 (“the Act”), namely that the Trust is empowered “…to demand, take and recover or waive such charges for their services and facilities, and to make the use of those services and facilities subject to such terms and conditions as they think fit”. Section 43(8) of the Act provides that for the purposes of section 43(3) “services and facilities” includes the use of any inland waterway owned or managed by the Trust by any ship or boat.
We do not agree that any application to stay the enforcement of the order dated 15 August 2019 (“the Order”) would be successful and confirm that the Trust is permitted to enforce this order at any point given that the boat remains unlicensed; however, given that you are taking steps to licence the boat, we agree to stay the enforcement of the Order until 4 November 2019 in order for you to provide the relevant documents in order to satisfy the Trust that all the relevant statutory conditions have been met in order to grant the licence sought.
Please note that we do not propose to further entertain any arguments about the semantics of the licence name, as this issue was resolved by the court on 15 August 2019. You are therefore required to complete an application for a River Only licence which constitutes an application for a Pleasure Boat Certificate as sought by you. The Trust believes that is has provided more than reasonable assistance to enable you to now licence the boat and accordingly it is unlikely that any further extensions to the enforcement of the Order will be granted.
Regards Lucy Barry Senior Solicitor-Advocate
I've posted the above missive from the delightful Ms. Barry before, . . but not what immediately preceded it, or what transpired over the following few days. It arrived in my e-mail inbox at 1806 on Friday 4 October 2019, some six and a half hours after this (below) somewhat puzzling follow-up to a phone call that I have no record of ever making ! -- : Mr Dunkley
Could you please confirm who took the photos of your boat, which you mentioned when you rang via Customer Services on 27th August 2019?
Kind Regards
Sarah C L Madden
Boat Licence Team ________________________________________________________
In the absence of anything further, I replied with this on the afternoon of Tuesday 8 October : FAO. Sarah Madden - Boat Licence Team Dear Ms. Madden,
Reference your query of Friday 4 October 2019 with regard to identification photographs of 'Halcyon Daze' - Index No. 52721.
The Trust's Mr S. Garner has been accumulating photographs of this boat since January 2014, when his personally motivated campaign to have me and my boat removed from the waterways under the Trust's control first began.
In addition to the photographic identification evidence already in the Trust's possession there have been two recent visits to the boat by a member of C&RT staff serving Court related paperwork, as well as a recent sighting of the vessel on it's private mooring at Barton-in-Fabis from the Trust's own inspection launch.
Further photographic identification of this vessel for the purposes of temporarily exempting it from the requirement to hold a current Boat Safety Certificate is therefore quite unnecessary and utterly superfluous.
Please expedite without further delay the issuing of the Pleasure Boat Certificate which was applied for by means of my e-mail sent to Customer Services, and marked for the attention of the Boat Licensing Team on Thursday 3 October last.
Signed,
A.K.Dunkley.
____________________________________________________ There hadn't been any response of any sort (to the above) by late on Friday afternoon, so I called C&RT's general switchboard number and, somewhat surprisingly, without too much ado was put through to Ben Ashdown, the Trust's nominated boat licensing manager. I put the following questions to him : Q: Have you received copies of all the necessary documentation for issuing what you call a Rivers only Licence for my boat ? A: Yes, . . I think so.Q: Does that documentation fulfill the requirements specified in S.17(3)[c] of the 1995 BW Act ? A: Yes, . . I believe so.Q: In that case, why was the telephone application and offer of full payment for a Rivers Only Licence made by an independent witness on my behalf refused ? A: I don't know, . . Lucy Barry has written to you explaining it all.Q: Does the final decision on issuing or refusing boat licences always rest with Lucy Barry ? A: You will have to speak to Lucy Barry about that.Q: Who has taken the decision to refuse to issue either a Pleasure Boat Certificate, as ordered by the Court, or one of your fictitious Rivers Only Licences, as NOT ordered by the Court ? A: You will have to speak to Lucy Barry about that. _______________________________________________
Not much more to say really, . . . is there ? !
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Post by kris on Oct 12, 2019 16:52:43 GMT
The fact is Tony that they are itching to make an example of you and take your boat.
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