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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 7:41:21 GMT
Proof that dredging works!
Shit Brook (also called Shyte Brook) is a culverted small stream in Much Wenlock, Shropshire.
In 1540, it was known as the "Schetebrok", which was noted by John Leland. In 1847, it was listed as "Sytche" on Ordnance Survey maps, which drew conclusions that it had some relation to a similarly named stream at Burslem in Stoke-on-Trent. In the 1990s there was a structural survey carried out on Shit Brook which discovered that the culvert was in poor condition as it had collapsed in places, which led to flooding of nearby properties. A programme to repair the culvert was proposed by Shropshire County Council Archaeology Service to refurbish it. In 2013, it was listed as a location for new flood defences to be built in the United Kingdom.
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Feb 29, 2020 9:30:53 GMT
Anyway the campaign for dredging is proceeding marvellously. So far, many MPs have been enlightened as to the sad state of the country. There has been much dredging in the Houses of Parliament of late I see................Bottom of barrels? Don't mention the Labour party, some get upset.
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Post by bodger on Feb 29, 2020 10:04:32 GMT
perhaps 'cos I'm a 'ginger beer' wot 'ad to study Hydraulics to an advanced level at uni.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Your're just who we need, then ! With qualifications like that, you'll be able to explain to those of us who have to muddle by on only common sense and practical experience, why rainwater gutterings on buildings get rid of run-off from the roof so much better, and are less likely to overflow, if they're kept clear of the leaves, moss, and the rest of the muck that gathers in them if they aren't cleaned out periodically. gutters should be allowed to fill with water - that is all part of the flood alleviation process.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 1, 2020 12:54:23 GMT
Your're just who we need, then ! With qualifications like that, you'll be able to explain to those of us who have to muddle by on only common sense and practical experience, why rainwater gutterings on buildings get rid of run-off from the roof so much better, and are less likely to overflow, if they're kept clear of the leaves, moss, and the rest of the muck that gathers in them if they aren't cleaned out periodically. gutters should be allowed to fill with water - that is all part of the flood alleviation process. In light of this ^^ latest pearl of wisdom and if you are, as you claimed earlier in this thread, a qualified civil engineer with a track record of involvement in flood relief/defence projects, it does go a very long way towards explaining why severe flooding is becoming an ever more frequent and serious problem. The EA has been populated with pillocks like you since it came into being in 1995 and enthusiastically adopted and enlarged the same misguided 'no dredging' policy pursued by their predecessors, the equally useless National Rivers Authority, and the BWB on the river waterways and navigations for which they were responsible.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 1, 2020 15:15:48 GMT
"It would cost hundreds of millions of pounds and it would not last, as soon as the river floods you would be back to square one." Obviously went to the Bodger school of slow thinking when you are using any method to control a river, you have to keep doing it. There is no such thing as a one off cureIts really expensive because of fees paid by the ton to dump it and of course test it in the old days it just used to go back on the land where it came from and the farmers spread it on the fields. wonder who put those fees on the dredgings?
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Post by bodger on Mar 1, 2020 16:54:53 GMT
gutters should be allowed to fill with water - that is all part of the flood alleviation process. In light of this ^^ latest pearl of wisdom and if you are, as you claimed earlier in this thread, a qualified civil engineer with a track record of involvement in flood relief/defence projects, it does go a very long way towards explaining why severe flooding is becoming an ever more frequent and serious problem. The EA has been populated with pillocks like you since it came into being in 1995 and enthusiastically adopted and enlarged the same misguided 'no dredging' policy pursued by their predecessors, the equally useless National Rivers Authority, and the BWB on the river waterways and navigations for which they were responsible. you just can't avoid being rude, can you? all your life experience must have left you despising folk whom you don't understand.
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Post by bodger on Mar 1, 2020 16:58:46 GMT
Obviously went to the Bodger school of slow thinking when you are using any method to control a river, you have to keep doing it. There is no such thing as a one off cureIts really expensive because of fees paid by the ton to dump it and of course test it in the old days it just used to go back on the land where it came from and the farmers spread it on the fields. wonder who put those fees on the dredgings? the lesson to be learned is that it is usually a waste of time fighting nature.
the only sustainable solutions are those that work WITH nature.
intelligent civil engineers know this.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 1, 2020 17:22:08 GMT
Original size of river Hull
width of river 50 foot depth of river 15 foot cross sectional area 750 sq feet gradient 1 meter per kilometer
water flow X
present size of river Hull
width of river 20 foot depth of river 10 foot cross sectional area 200 sq feet gradient 1 meter per kilometer
water flow 26.7% of X
Of course, according to the experts dredging and clearing this to it's original dimensions won't make a difference yeah !!!
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Post by Jim on Mar 1, 2020 18:11:48 GMT
I know a res avoir Does anyone think the reservoir at Whaley Bridge has whales in it? They live under the bridge. Stupid migrant.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 1, 2020 20:53:45 GMT
Its really expensive because of fees paid by the ton to dump it and of course test it in the old days it just used to go back on the land where it came from and the farmers spread it on the fields. wonder who put those fees on the dredgings? the lesson to be learned is that it is usually a waste of time fighting nature.
the only sustainable solutions are those that work WITH nature.
intelligent civil engineers know this. A great many of England's rivers have, at some time in their past, been subject to extensive improvements in order to make them navigable for increasingly larger and deeper draughted vessels, . . the Thames, the Severn, the Mersey, the Weaver, the Trent, the (Yorkshire) Ouse, the Don, the Nene, and the Great Ouse, to name but a few of them. Prior to the improvements, when they were still exactly as 'nature' had made them, navigation was all but impossible for anything but shallow flat bottomed boats of very limited carrying capacity. A beneficial side-effect of these rivers being improved for navigation, was the improvement in their ability to contribute hugely to draining the land through which they ran. How would you classify and describe the extensive dredging which was essential to all these past improvements, and the works carried out on modifying the river channel's cross-sectional areas as and where necessary, . . working with 'nature', or 'fighting' it ?
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Post by bodger on Mar 2, 2020 8:01:02 GMT
clearly you can't distinguish between serious events and annual totals.
................ so sad.
rude twat ..... the highest recorded (a comparatively modern thing that, recording rainfall events) .... was in Preston Lancs. it was 1.3 inches ....... in 5 minutes ...... oh sorry the date 10th August 1893 the highest 60 minute total ...... Maidenhead Berkshire 3.6 inches 12th July 1901 you really should try and get your facts right ................................... so sad .................. and we've just experienced the wettest February on record. I don't understand why you think a 5 or 60 minute freak storm is definitive of the weather pattern.
your argumentative stance on this suggests you are a climate change denier, which is insupportable ........ as I said - get your facts right.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 2, 2020 9:00:00 GMT
Its really expensive because of fees paid by the ton to dump it and of course test it in the old days it just used to go back on the land where it came from and the farmers spread it on the fields. wonder who put those fees on the dredgings? the lesson to be learned is that it is usually a waste of time fighting nature.
the only sustainable solutions are those that work WITH nature.
intelligent civil engineers know this. Yup and thats why we are flooded all over England because we have left it in the hands of engineers!!! best get them sacked and go back to what we used to do and dredge and I will lay good money that we dont flood! You arnt the one up to his arse in water because somebody like you judged that dredging wasnt needed, me I will be happy when dredging starts again, you know doubt will want to build walls
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Post by JohnV on Mar 2, 2020 9:10:15 GMT
rude twat ..... the highest recorded (a comparatively modern thing that, recording rainfall events) .... was in Preston Lancs. it was 1.3 inches ....... in 5 minutes ...... oh sorry the date 10th August 1893 the highest 60 minute total ...... Maidenhead Berkshire 3.6 inches 12th July 1901 you really should try and get your facts right ................................... so sad .................. and we've just experienced the wettest February on record. I don't understand why you think a 5 or 60 minute freak storm is definitive of the weather pattern.
your argumentative stance on this suggests you are a climate change denier, which is insupportable ........ as I said - get your facts right. I don't understand why you think a single months freak rain is definitive of the weather pattern when an annual rainfall total 250 years ago isn't. your argumentative stance on this suggests you are a shallow thinker . Climate has always changed, we have been going through one of the longest quiet periods in climate for 10,000 years, did you think it would last for ever ?
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Post by bodger on Mar 2, 2020 10:02:52 GMT
.................. and we've just experienced the wettest February on record. I don't understand why you think a 5 or 60 minute freak storm is definitive of the weather pattern.
your argumentative stance on this suggests you are a climate change denier, which is insupportable ........ as I said - get your facts right. I don't understand why you think a single months freak rain is definitive of the weather pattern when an annual rainfall total 250 years ago isn't. your argumentative stance on this suggests you are a shallow thinker . Climate has always changed, we have been going through one of the longest quiet periods in climate for 10,000 years, did you think it would last for ever ? a heavy rain shower can be a freak.
a month's record rainfall is not a freak - it's definitive of a changing weather pattern.
let's get this clear - do you believe that mankind is not responsible for the changing climate?
are you the 20 denier category, or the snowflake 10 denier variety?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 10:26:36 GMT
Campaign status:
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Likelihood of grumbling into beer continuing for ages yet: Extremely High.
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