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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 7:32:53 GMT
"You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine – and you should do this as little as you can." When your toilet cistern packs in or a radiator valve snaps or your front door lock breaks or any one of a hundred vital things in the home that can break ...... they are essential to allow "staying at home" to continue. To suggest they are not is silly This is probably why CRT have said we can cruise to get emergency repairs to the boat. Midland Chandlers outlets are still closed though (last time I looked) although they were doing on line orders.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 25, 2020 7:38:15 GMT
"You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine – and you should do this as little as you can." When your toilet cistern packs in or a radiator valve snaps or your front door lock breaks or any one of a hundred vital things in the home that can break ...... they are essential to allow "staying at home" to continue. To suggest they are not is silly Even if outlets such as B&Q were not specifically ordered to close, it would not be economically viable to open if they were only permitted to sell possibly 5% of their product. Additionally, one could argue that clothing is fairly essential... "To ensure compliance with the government’s instruction to stay at home, we will immediately: close all shops selling non-essential goods, including clothing and electronic stores and other premises including libraries, playgrounds and outdoor gyms, and places of worship;" No, there is no doubt here, the Government are backtracking enormously on lockdown policy now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 7:40:57 GMT
Anybody who believes NO ONE has been going out is misguided to say the least.
Supermarkets have never closed ... all their staff are out ... plus the warehouse people and delivery people ... and postal workers and telecoms people ... and NHS staff whether domestic or medical ... and construction workers ...and parmacy staff and their warehouse and delivery people ... oh and take away food outlets and their delivery people etc etc
I wonder what actual percentage of the workforce have been at home ?
We have noticed the number of cars out and about have increased over the weeks ... but a high percentage of what we've seen have obviously been firms vans etc.
Every retail outlet we have visited has queues and everyone has to shop singularly ... apart from us walkers that's one car per shopper.
I think the restrictions are working as well as ever and appear to be keeping critically ill numbers down, which was the point.
Rog
ETA Crikey ... forgot bus staff, railway staff, taxi drivers, care home staff, home helps, contract gardeners etc etc
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 25, 2020 7:42:09 GMT
The government specifically stated hardware shops can stay open providing they can insure social distancing .... You are being disingenuous by suggesting otherwise. That does not in anyway conflict with the instructions to only go out for essential supplies ..... many of the products at those stores fall clearly into essential maintenance supplies "You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine – and you should do this as little as you can." That is guidance, and uses “should” (optional) as opposed to “shall” (mandatory). The law, which is the only relevant thing, says you mustn’t leave home except with a reasonable excuse. This disconnect between what the nanny state says in its briefings, vs what it put into law, is the source of much of the problems eg with over-zealous policing. If you can justify your trip to B&Q as being reasonable taking into account the present situation, then you are acting lawfully.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 25, 2020 7:45:52 GMT
When your toilet cistern packs in or a radiator valve snaps or your front door lock breaks or any one of a hundred vital things in the home that can break ...... they are essential to allow "staying at home" to continue. To suggest they are not is silly Even if outlets such as B&Q were not specifically ordered to close, it would not be economically viable to open if they were only permitted to sell possibly 5% of their product. Additionally, one could argue that clothing is fairly essential... "To ensure compliance with the government’s instruction to stay at home, we will immediately: close all shops selling non-essential goods, including clothing and electronic stores and other premises including libraries, playgrounds and outdoor gyms, and places of worship;" No, there is no doubt here, the Government are backtracking enormously on lockdown policy now. Following an initial furore about the police checking your supermarket trolley for non-essentials such as Easter eggs, the government made it clear that you are not limited to buying only essentials when you do a shop justified for other reasons. So if B&Q is open and you visit is done with a reasonable excuse, you can, while you are there, buy whatever else you like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 7:46:05 GMT
Amazing really ... I said some cling to cynicism in times of crisis People who were complaining about the restrictions are NOW complaing that they're not enforcing them enough ! Whatever makes you happy people Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 25, 2020 8:56:26 GMT
Amazing really ... I said some cling to cynicism in times of crisis People who were complaining about the restrictions are NOW complaing that they're not enforcing them enough ! Haven't noticed anyone doing that myself to be honest. Where did you see that?
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 25, 2020 9:08:21 GMT
Did I mention that I drove 900 miles last week? Naughty or what! But in compliance with the law, which says nothing about “non-essential travel” and only says one mustn’t leave home without reasonable excuse. My excuse was to check on my mother aged 97 and still in her own home, my sister who can’t walk more than a couple of steps, had heart surgery a few years ago and is asthmatic, and to turn off the dehumidifier and unblock ventilators/open the windows on the boat (summer configuration).
I did a £180 shop for my sister, and fixed a bathroom plumbing issue she had been fretting about (toilet overflow disconnected). It transpired my mother didn’t really need any shopping as she has a lot of local support. Having driven 450 miles to my sister and with the boat 25 mins away, obviously I wasn’t going to turn around same day and drive 450 miles back again, so I stayed on the boat, which allowed me to deal with the dehumidifier etc. And whilst I was there, test my prototype smart alternator regulator for LiFePO4 batteries,
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 25, 2020 9:17:33 GMT
Could be that people traditionally shop Friday when they can for weekend..habits die hard(so 'they' say) Dunno cos here I'm never out during the day though I'm a bit later motivating myself to get out this am Hardware here closed to public but deliver..trouble is you push a note through the door and there is hundreds already there and they cannot cope with demand..however folk will probably avoid this small business when they can get cheaper elsewhere. Also those who are getting paid weekly get paid on a Thursday or Friday so shop as soon as the money comes in. I made the mistake of shopping yesterday, I would have done it on Wednesday but had to hire a van to drive to Coventry, collect daughter’s possessions (wouldn’t fit in her Fiat 500 when she returned from Uni for lockdown), clean the house, hand back the keys and drive home again, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday are much quieter for shopping. Ironically, Patty, we don’t see the police around here so you would have been unobserved in Horror House.
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Post by patty on Apr 25, 2020 9:18:29 GMT
I think it is part of the government strategy to get the public used to the COVID deaths and to see them as the new normal, at which point we can remove all mandatory restrictions leaving the vulnerable the option of self isolation if they wish. So a slow drift back to work, mixing etc will take place over the next 6 months. Whilst this may sound callous, it isn’t, as continuous lockdown will so damage the economy that poverty will damage and shorten many lives and longer term will reduce life expectancy far more than Coronavirus ever would. What is happening is continually being evaluated by scientists..none could predict at the outset how this would pan out..we still don't know. I've heard from family who are working in the front line that the virus does not 'behave' in a predicted fashion..that some of those who they expect will recover don't. Its the uncertainty and the unknown that will make whatever decision a tough one to make. Realistically until they fully understand Covid any vaccine is a bit hit n miss...I can see it working for some but not for all. Instructions/advice/rules have to change in accordance with facts...these facts are continually changing. Really we don't know..none can say when or if it'll be safe to restart the country but at some time that risk will have to be taken Whatever the decision they will have their critics. A slow drift back seems the most logical so that incidence can be constantly evaluated and areas where there are pockets of infection shut back down. I will be very cautious..watch n wait...
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Post by patty on Apr 25, 2020 9:19:59 GMT
Could be that people traditionally shop Friday when they can for weekend..habits die hard(so 'they' say) Dunno cos here I'm never out during the day though I'm a bit later motivating myself to get out this am Hardware here closed to public but deliver..trouble is you push a note through the door and there is hundreds already there and they cannot cope with demand..however folk will probably avoid this small business when they can get cheaper elsewhere. Ironically, Patty, we don’t see the police around here so you would have been unobserved in Horror House. There all here monitoring the law breakers in the Mumbles! Not sure I'd want to be in Horror House at this time
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 25, 2020 9:26:10 GMT
Ironically, Patty, we don’t see the police around here so you would have been unobserved in Horror House. There all here monitoring the law breakers in the Mumbles! Not sure I'd want to be in Horror House at this time I’m sure you are much happier where you are, but Mumbles is where all the numpties will go for their exercise despite its unsuitability. Have you thought if going for a walk along the Marsh road in North Gower? Quite wild, nice (not spectacular) views, marsh ponies and fairly underpopulated.
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Post by duncan on Apr 25, 2020 9:46:58 GMT
When your toilet cistern packs in or a radiator valve snaps or your front door lock breaks or any one of a hundred vital things in the home that can break ...... they are essential to allow "staying at home" to continue. To suggest they are not is silly Indeed but I'd wager a fair sum that the vast majority of B&Q's sales would come under the umbrella 'home improvement' rather than 'home repair'. This is where it does get confusing. I bought bedding plants and compost on a click and collect from B&Q, but could not buy lawn weed and feed because that was deemed to be 'not essential'. It was also not possible to buy paint or wallpaper, so not able to 'home improve'.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 25, 2020 9:56:53 GMT
Indeed but I'd wager a fair sum that the vast majority of B&Q's sales would come under the umbrella 'home improvement' rather than 'home repair'. This is where it does get confusing. I bought bedding plants and compost on a click and collect from B&Q, but could not buy lawn weed and feed because that was deemed to be 'not essential'. It was also not possible to buy paint or wallpaper, so not able to 'home improve'. My understanding is that now B&Q shops are open you can buy everything they usually sell here, including lawn feed, decorating materials etc. This makes sense in a way, as you can buy these things at the likes of Home Bargains and B&M, both of which have remained open throughout the 'lockdown'. What seems strange is that B&Q wouldn't sell 'non essentials' via the 'safer' click and collect model, before they opened their shops, when the 2 shops I mentioned allowed a shopping free for all.
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Post by Boaty on Apr 25, 2020 10:01:39 GMT
When your toilet cistern packs in or a radiator valve snaps or your front door lock breaks or any one of a hundred vital things in the home that can break ...... they are essential to allow "staying at home" to continue. To suggest they are not is silly Indeed but I'd wager a fair sum that the vast majority of B&Q's sales would come under the umbrella 'home improvement' rather than 'home repair'. Which is perhaps down to the inability of individuals to police their own actions. Surely if we all did the right thing we would not need a lockdown? Personally I am onside with any initiative designed to save lives/reduce deaths. I make no distinction between the young and old (presumably this is what is meant by "coffin dodgers"!). Where the enforced lock down starts to become a problem is when one has second homes, leisure homes/boats etc. Lack of access means an expensive asset could be deteriorating but access to check/repair/maintain is denied (there are probably other examples).
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