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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 20:44:26 GMT
It is interesting to go through the list provided by CaRT of the points they challenged within Leigh’s Statement. This was something suggested by the Judge as a means of short-cutting tedious cross-examination while not conceding anything unchallenged. There are a number of seemingly pointless denials of certain things claimed by Leigh, of which they could have no knowledge one way or the other – but so what? They deny, for example – amongst a whole lot of other things – that the boat has been sold, and deny that a sale had been agreed in December 2014 [or at all]. It is fruitless, because I have copies of the emails back in 2014 wherein a firm agreement to buy had been made, subject to survey – which fell through following seizure. One of the most absurd points Mr Stoner sought to extract from Leigh in cross-examination was that he could have had a survey done while CaRT held the boat at the CBS yard – as Leigh rather forcefully answered: he had been forbidden to go anywhere near the yard, whether by himself or by proxy! I also have copies of the subsequent Bill of Sale after more than a year languishing unwanted in a dusty field, for very much less than the original offer. But why bother denying something they do not know about, just because Leigh stated it? It seems obvious that they are trying to steer away any suggestion that Leigh suffered any loss; still, as I said to the Judge, we did not wish to burden the Court with superfluous material, and that only if the Court found in his favour would he bring out the proofs for quantifying his losses. CaRT denied Garner lashed out pushing a phone into the cameraman’s face [embarrassing that, when the Court shortly saw the relevant footage]; denied that Leigh’s father made an offer to pay [other footage showed that later also]; denied that Mr Garner said the boat could be sold after 6 weeks, and denied that anyone thereafter insisted the licence fees had to be paid in order to get the boat back [firmly quashed after I read through the email strings to the judge]. The only element in all that which is incapable of proof is the ‘6 week then sell’ impression Leigh and Ms Thomas were given, prompting the Injunction application; but it will be powerful indication of this policy - for the Appeal Court hearing - that Garner’s superior is later quoted as saying exactly this. Weirdly also, they deny that Godsmark J had suggested that the appeal over costs could [and should] have been joined to the main issues in the High Court. Leigh has the transcripts of the proceedings to give the lie to these denials, so again, this is just yet more silly posturing on their part, trying to dent his credibility or something. Nuts isn't it. People just do not realise what a bunch of idiots the trust has in its midst. By the time most do realise, it will be to late to do anything. All this money being wasted by 9-5ers who struggle to share an ounce of common sense or morality. Disgusting.
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Post by peterboat on May 30, 2017 20:47:32 GMT
Fingers crossed on this Leigh and Nigel really hope its the right result
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Post by NigelMoore on May 30, 2017 22:04:28 GMT
Did they not know that the seizure has been on YouTube for ages ? Of course they did - though the very first clip from before the police arrived was not in the youtube compilation. However, not only has Shoosmiths had all the clips - including the first one - for many months now, Mr Stoner specifically asked me what segments I intended showing, and recognised the first one as including the "alleged" assault, so he also had seen it; he just 'interpreted' what he saw somewhat differently. In addition, he denied that Garner said the sums owed for releasing the boat included the 4 years licence arrears; he had got Leigh to acknowledge that he had asked Garner what that was, as though he was acknowledging he did in fact owe 'licence' fees, claiming that Garner was just answering him! Fortunately the Judge picked him up on that silliness when she noted that the 'ball park' sum quoted by Garner included the 4 years arrears anyway, so he was going nowhere with that line. Mr Stoner refrained from comment when it came to Leigh's father saying "tell me what the 4 years comes to and I'll pull it out of my pocket and pay you". It was only the additional thousands of pounds for truck hire etc that had made him explode - especially while, as he said, the truck hadn't even left the yard. Charging for a month's storage when the boat had not even reached Chester was a bit rich too - I would like to know whether the business arrangement between CaRT and CBS means full payment of the quoted sums for the whole expected job regardless whether they have to carry it out or not, is payable once given the go-ahead.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:13:06 GMT
Did they not know that the seizure has been on YouTube for ages ? - I would like to know whether the business arrangement between CaRT and CBS means full payment of the quoted sums for the whole expected job regardless whether they have to carry it out or not, is payable once given the go-ahead. I would want the money up front, i certainly would not trust the trust. (Obviously cbs think along the same lines).
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Post by NigelMoore on May 30, 2017 22:22:48 GMT
That would be understandable. But how enforceable against the third party? I note from the article describing an owner turning up at a canalside crane out previously, that he paid the full £5,000 plus to have them drop the boat back in the water - so it was not just Leigh.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:24:45 GMT
That would be understandable. But how enforceable against the third party? I note from the article describing an owner turning up at a canalside crane out previously, that he paid the full £5,000 plus to have them drop the boat back in the water - so it was not just Leigh. I would imagine cbs draw up a contract for the trust, thats paid, and the job is then actioned. It's up to the third party to contest the charges, and obviously the route for that is the one leigh has chosen. You have to pay on the day, and claim back later.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:33:06 GMT
It's really stupid how the trust goes about all of this, and the money they waste. There really needs to be someone they answer to. I am certain this will happen at some point, and the ceo and a few others will no doubt "take early retirement". The truth will out eventually, it always does. You just cannot continue to create shit like this without getting caught eventually.
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Post by NigelMoore on May 30, 2017 22:37:18 GMT
I have just posted that initial short clip on youtube, so people can see for themselves what led to the police being called.
One slightly amusing aspect is the instant change of tone and volume when one of the contractors steps in - CaRT accused people from the Ravenscroft contingent of being aggressive to everyone, CBS employees as well, but the cameraman almost comically shifts gear to talk politely to the contractor in this clip, assuring him that he has no beef with him, then racking up the volume and pitch to screech at Garner once again.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:44:08 GMT
Garner is a fucking idiot. I don't know why he's not had a kicking yet. No doubt it will happen though. Send the twat down this way, ensuring he is supplied with a quantity of tena pads in case he leaks.
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Post by kris on May 30, 2017 22:47:28 GMT
It's really stupid how the trust goes about all of this, and the money they waste. There really needs to be someone they answer to. I am certain this will happen at some point, and the ceo and a few others will no doubt "take early retirement". The truth will out eventually, it always does. You just cannot continue to create shit like this without getting caught eventually. I agree with you the truth will out, the problem is how much damage the present regime does to the waterways before it leaves. In fact I've said the same to Parry. I doubt he was listening though.
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Post by kris on May 30, 2017 22:49:06 GMT
Garner is a fucking idiot. I don't know why he's not had a kicking yet. No doubt it will happen though. Send the twat down this way, ensuring he is supplied with a quantity of tena pads in case he leaks. As I understand it, he's fallen in the canal a few times. What I don't understand is why the management, insist on backing his stupid personal vendettas.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:59:12 GMT
Garner is a fucking idiot. I don't know why he's not had a kicking yet. No doubt it will happen though. Send the twat down this way, ensuring he is supplied with a quantity of tena pads in case he leaks. As I understand it, he's fallen in the canal a few times. What I don't understand is why the management, insist on backing his stupid personal vendettas. Some are afraid of him at the trust, and a few of the vindictive twats use him to get their jollies, because they dont have the balls to do it themselves.
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Post by tadworth on May 30, 2017 23:00:08 GMT
To be fair Leigh and his mates do provoke their opponents on his various YouTube's, which does their cases no good, I would think most police or judges would not want to takes sides in shouting matches. It serves no purpose in the end, you just damage your case.
Saying that though, I fully endorse impromptu swimming lessons for enforcement officers.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 23:05:17 GMT
I've no doubt whatsoever that if per chance labour do win the election, the incoming tax hikes will see several at the trust leaving, and running to the trough for their pensions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 5:52:35 GMT
That video clip of mr garner and the way he acted. It's no wonder he his a ex copper.not very professional his he.and it's disgraceful .I hope he gets sacked after the way he's treated ppl on the waterways. With his lies. I don't know how cart can give little kids (who've just left school) the power too take your boat away .And make boaters suffer the stress of it all.
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