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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 6:19:07 GMT
I have a new nickname for stoner, "bend it like stoner".
I absolutely hate the way lawyers, barristers and judges etc twist and turn words and meanings to complicate simple legislation, (yes, it was simple to start with). I recognise that some boaters also do this, but i get really pissed with the fact that it gets to court, and is just as silly in there with so called professionals.
Over the years, I've occasionally had my own little court battles, and through those, came to the conclusion that "they" were just as bent as myself, but "they" arrogantly considered themselves entitled to be bent simply because they were higher up the food chain. Crooked twunts are in all walks of life.
Edit to add, i have it from a reliable source that garner has been promoted.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2017 7:05:46 GMT
Edit to add, i have it from a reliable source that garner has been promoted. Not an unusual thing to happen if an employee is considered a problem by someone at the "top". The cheapest option, if they cannot be sacked without risking unfair dismissal proceedings, is to promote them to a position with a lovely title, where they can twiddle their thumbs without having any power to cause trouble.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 3, 2017 7:10:02 GMT
Edit to add, i have it from a reliable source that garner has been promoted. Promoted to what?! I suppose he has demonstrated the key quality for upper echelon CaRT management - the willingness to lie on oath for the sake of his employer's reputation.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 3, 2017 7:14:17 GMT
Edit to add, i have it from a reliable source that garner has been promoted. He has indeed, . . . now Supervisor for Central and East Midlands.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 7:57:07 GMT
Edit to add, i have it from a reliable source that garner has been promoted. Promoted to what?! I suppose he has demonstrated the key quality for upper echelon CaRT management - the willingness to lie on oath for the sake of his employer's reputation. Idiots breed, thats the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 8:04:38 GMT
after watching the latest video of garner on here and too the way he was acting.im not surprised they aint moved him somewhere incase of retaliation against him .for his protection .cus it's bad how he walked right into Leighs face.i feel that is invading your space
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 3, 2017 10:18:31 GMT
A bit difficult to dismiss someone who is only doing the bidding of his superiors, and who is only saying what they tell him to say. It is all very well to criticise those like Garner - and deserving of that criticism they are - but it should not be forgotten that they are driven by the executive directives with the coaching of the legal department. I cannot believe for a moment that Garner concocted that witness statement unassisted - in fact I know it was a joint effort with Shoosmiths at least, if only because his statement was used to describe the contents of correspondence with which he had no interaction, other than being shown that correspondence in order that he describe it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 10:45:45 GMT
on my first case at court I showed evidence of flood conditions to shoe smiths which was on my fone . They then showed them to garner at court. He he he .I think garner was maybe a little embarrassed too aving wasted shoo smiths time at court anyway they all didn't look too happy
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 3, 2017 12:38:51 GMT
Indeed. On that note, whether on moral grounds, self-preservation, or legal punctiliousness, I thought it fitting to inform Mr Deards of my appreciation for his disavowing of the paragraphs in Mr Grimes' statement that had flatly denied the continued existence of PRN on the Trent.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 3, 2017 12:45:01 GMT
One can act on one's own morals and walk out of a job if one perceives one's employer to be putting one in a bad position. Or one can do one's employers dodgy bidding and be rewarded with promotion, a pay rise and a job in the warm. What else is there for an ex copper - security guard?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 3, 2017 13:00:19 GMT
One can act on one's own morals and walk out of a job if one perceives one's employer to be putting one in a bad position. Or one can do one's employers dodgy bidding and be rewarded with promotion, a pay rise and a job in the warm. What else is there for an ex copper - security guard? Bogus Bailiff specializing in pinching Lightships ?
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Post by NigelMoore on Jun 3, 2017 13:56:38 GMT
You did come in for special mention, Tony, when Mr Stoner was explaining why it was important that the trial go ahead to a conclusion on the meaning of 'main navigable channel'. They want to be properly armed when [if] they go after you in particular, and many others waiting on the sidelines.
I have always, however, explained to Leigh that despite his case being rock-solid on this, he should expect an adverse result, if only because 'politics' could well be brought to bear on the matter. We can but wait and see. He remains perfectly confident, but which way he would jump if that was found against him yet the other issues found for him, I do not know; I expect it would depend upon whether any costs orders were made out against him and/or any awards and/or compensation in his favour were sufficient to leave him in a good place or would leave him in a bad one.
Also - remember that CaRT have said they would definitely appeal against any adverse decision, so even if the judge finds for Leigh on the main issue, it will not end there. I doubt that they would appeal any decision against them on the proportionality aspect, and they have basically admitted the lien on debt aspect. Their only response to that last is that legalistically [according to them] no distress was levied, but whether they would baulk at accepting that it had been, I cannot read.
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Post by tadworth on Jun 3, 2017 14:08:20 GMT
CRT must have first pick of bent ex coppers leaving the force.
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Post by kris on Jun 3, 2017 14:12:19 GMT
CRT must have first pick of bent ex coppers leaving the force. yes there's one based in leeds, who aparently left the force under a cloud, but was welcomed into crt's enforcement dept with open arms. She still thinks she's in the police.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 14:25:49 GMT
Its been going on for a long time. When I spent my first winter on a boat in 1994/5 I stayed around Braunston and there was a "BW mooring warden" on one of the boats. He was an ex copper. It seems to be a trend. I don't really see why that is.
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