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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 21:25:01 GMT
"Poverty" is when you spend all day grubbing around on a rubbish dump in Brazil or wherever, hoping to find a bit of gristle that somebody spat out last week in order that your children might have something to chew on today. No that is abject poverty...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 11, 2018 21:59:48 GMT
By most definitions, I live in poverty. Last year I earned just under half of the average UK wage, the year before about a quarter of it. This tax year I am again expecting to earn around half of the average UK wage.
I don't own a house, I don't have a 42" screen plasma telly, I haven't had a foreign holiday since 2010, I drive a 13-year-old car and I don't have a pair of designer sunglasses.
But I have food to eat and water to drink,tomorrow and for every day in the foreseeable future. So how can I be "in poverty"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 22:25:50 GMT
By most definitions, I live in poverty. Last year I earned just under half of the average UK wage, the year before about a quarter of it. This tax year I am again expecting to earn around half of the average UK wage. I don't own a house, I don't have a 42" screen plasma telly, I haven't had a foreign holiday since 2010, I drive a 13-year-old car and I don't have a pair of designer sunglasses. But I have food to eat and water to drink,tomorrow and for every day in the foreseeable future. So how can I be "in poverty"? But you are forgetting housing costs (including council tax). If everyone chose to live in coffins then I bet our housing costs would rise substantially (unless we were fortunate to buy mortgage free before the boom time...). You also don't have a disabled wife plus kids to support so I'd dispute your 'by most definitions'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 5:54:43 GMT
Poverty isn't important. If we all recognize and seek to assist those less fortunate than us, the term is meaningless. And I'll pass on my turn to chew the gristle thanks anyway Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 8:52:50 GMT
By most definitions, I live in poverty. Last year I earned just under half of the average UK wage, the year before about a quarter of it. This tax year I am again expecting to earn around half of the average UK wage. I don't own a house, I don't have a 42" screen plasma telly, I haven't had a foreign holiday since 2010, I drive a 13-year-old car and I don't have a pair of designer sunglasses. But I have food to eat and water to drink,tomorrow and for every day in the foreseeable future. So how can I be "in poverty"? I think Nick is right. The only meaningful measure is how happy we are. My income is less than the tax threshold. I don’t own a house (just the boat), I run a 17 year old Skoda but I am very happy (most of the time despite coming over vas a grumpy old git at times). As you say, so long as you have food and drink , also your health and somewhere warm to go to, then everything else is a bonus really. I think another important factor is having nice friends/family and if you are lucky, a nice partner. I reckon most misery these days is caused by negative thinking. Every morning we wake up we have a choice. Count your blessings, or moan about what you haven’t got. Positivity spreads, as does negativity. It’s up to us to decide which we spread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 9:01:24 GMT
By most definitions, I live in poverty. Last year I earned just under half of the average UK wage, the year before about a quarter of it. This tax year I am again expecting to earn around half of the average UK wage. I don't own a house, I don't have a 42" screen plasma telly, I haven't had a foreign holiday since 2010, I drive a 13-year-old car and I don't have a pair of designer sunglasses. But I have food to eat and water to drink,tomorrow and for every day in the foreseeable future. So how can I be "in poverty"? I think Nick is right. The only meaningful measure is how happy we are. My income is less than the tax threshold. I don’t own a house (just the boat), I run a 17 year old Skoda but I am very happy (most of the time despite coming over vas a grumpy old git at times). As you say, so long as you have food and drink , also your health and somewhere warm to go to, then everything else is a bonus really. I think another important factor is having nice friends/family and if you are lucky, a nice partner. I reckon most misery these days is caused by negative thinking. Every morning we wake up we have a choice. Count your blessings, or moan about what you haven’t got. Positivity spreads, as does negativity. It’s up to us to decide which we spread. Indeed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 9:07:44 GMT
I think Nick is right. The only meaningful measure is how happy we are. My income is less than the tax threshold. I don’t own a house (just the boat), I run a 17 year old Skoda but I am very happy (most of the time despite coming over vas a grumpy old git at times). As you say, so long as you have food and drink , also your health and somewhere warm to go to, then everything else is a bonus really. I think another important factor is having nice friends/family and if you are lucky, a nice partner. I reckon most misery these days is caused by negative thinking. Every morning we wake up we have a choice. Count your blessings, or moan about what you haven’t got. Positivity spreads, as does negativity. It’s up to us to decide which we spread. Indeed! Didn’t the drugs help?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 12, 2018 10:35:05 GMT
There are a few points in the C&RT LAGS letter to the Nottingham Court deserving of attention and comment. The sole truthful, factual element comes in line one of the letter, . . although it would be more accurate to say that the C&RT is the Claimant. The rest of the letter consists of intentionally misleading untruths or omissions, and a somewhat amusing and revealing example of the institutional muddled thinking that typifies this shitheap of an organization : -
Dear Sirs
We are the Claimant in the above matter.
We refer to the order of District Judge Potts dated 17 October 2016 staying the proceedings pending
the outcome of the matter of Leigh Ravenscroft v Canal & River Trust (Case HC-2015-001905) (“the
High Court Claim”). The appeal of this matter has now been dismissed.*(1)
Pursuant to the order referred to above, we are now required to write to the court to request a
directions hearing if the parties are unable to agree directions. *(2)
Given the contents of the Defendant’s previously filed unsigned witness statement *(3) and
Acknowledgement of Service dated 9 May 2016, and the Judgment of LJ Asplin in the High Court
Claim, we do not think that it is proportionate to agree directions in this matter; this Judgment, wholly
in the Claimant's favour, *(4) deals with the issues raised by the Defendant in this claim.*(5) As this claim is a
Part 8 claim,*(6) we therefore respectfully request that the matter be listed for a final hearing, with a listing
time of 1 hour before a Circuit Judge.
We confirm that we have copied the Defendant in to this correspondence,
Yours faithfully
Legal & Governance Services
Dealing with the numbered * points above :
*(1) An outright lie, intended to mislead the Nottingham Court, . . Leigh's Appeal against the Asplin Judgment was NOT 'dismissed', it was abandoned by mutual consent between the parties, primarily because C&RT were too nervous to risk their specious arguments being aired in (the Appeal) Court for a second time. Courts, Judges and honest lawyers reserve the use of the word 'dismissed' for Appeals which have been thrown out by the Appeal Court, and NOT for Appeals disposed of by mutual consent.
*(2) The Order made on 17 October 2016 gave C&RT 28 days to write to the Nottingham Court asking for the claim against me to be restored post final disposal of Leigh's High Court claim. In the event the C&RT LAGS letter making the request was 13 days out of time, . . something which they have, apparently, neglected to mention.
*(3) My Acknowledgment of Service/Witness Statement in fact contained no mention of the MNC issue or any other arguments presented in Leigh's claim, relying instead on C&RT's stated intention to prevent me from exercising the common law PRN on C&RT's scheduled river waterways.
*(4) A somewhat embarrassing and amusing example of C&RT LAGS muddled thinking and confusion, . . I got the distinct impression that the Asplin Judgment was wholly in the Defendant's favour !!??
*(5) As in (3) above, the Asplin Judgment does NOT mention or deal with the issues raised in my Defence.
*(6) C&RT's Claim was issued as a Part 8 Claim, but ceased to be treated as such when the Court, long ago, decided on a Directions hearing in response to my objecting to to C&RT's misuse/abuse of the CPR Part 8 procedure to dispose of a disputed/defended claim.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 12, 2018 11:35:24 GMT
If you intended to write to the court yourself, can I recommend that, whilst you should obviously point out the errors in CRT’s letter, you should do so dispassionately and factually, avoiding emotiveness and insult. It will go down with the court much better.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 12, 2018 11:57:39 GMT
You mean as not in calling CRT a 'heap of shit'?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 12, 2018 13:14:37 GMT
If you intended to write to the court yourself, can I recommend that, whilst you should obviously point out the errors in CRT’s letter, you should do so dispassionately and factually, avoiding emotiveness and insult. It will go down with the court much better. Many thanks for your advice, Nick, it would otherwise never have occurred to me to communicate with the Court in a somewhat different vein from that which I use to post on a internet forum.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 12, 2018 13:41:33 GMT
You mean as not in calling CRT a 'heap of shit'? C&RT cannot truthfully be described any differently. They are to all intents and purposes the same pile of shit that British Waterways had degenerated into by the time the name was despatched into oblivion, . . it's simply that from July 2012 the pile of shit has become even more rank and obnoxious, gone under a different name, and had a different lot of flies on it.
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Post by Gone on Nov 12, 2018 15:45:38 GMT
Your points above
1. No idea what the official term is for an appeal that is withdrawn by the claimant, couldn’t find anything on google, but probably (officially) it is not abandoned by mutual consent, but is with drawn by the claimant. Wether that results in it being ‘dismissed’ from the court I don’t know, an ask on a legal forum may get you an answer before you write your letter. 4 above - You are correct that in the previous case crt was the defendant and the judgement was in the defendants favour, but in this case crt are the claimant and so as claimant in this case they are advising the court that in a previous case they (the claimant in this case) won. So I think the CRT letter is worded correctly.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 12, 2018 16:38:16 GMT
If you intended to write to the court yourself, can I recommend that, whilst you should obviously point out the errors in CRT’s letter, you should do so dispassionately and factually, avoiding emotiveness and insult. It will go down with the court much better. Many thanks for your advice, Nick, it would otherwise never have occurred to me to communicate with the Court in a somewhat different vein from that which I use to post on a internet forum. Well you say that but some of the stuff you’ve published before contain the emotive and inflamatory language we are accustomed to. Agreed, not directly sent to the court but sent to others. I’m not entirely sure you appreciate how it is received. Anyway, you know best so I’ll stop trying to be helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 17:01:15 GMT
I wonder sometimes if all of the stuff posted on here is read by people other than contributors to the forum.
Obviously I know MI5 and 6 keep an eye on it mainly to make sure I am complying with the OSA 1989 but there are other things and if anyone is caught dissing them they will come down on the offender like a tonne of bricks.
I imagine the same applies for CRT. You mess with them at your peril.
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