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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 21:13:02 GMT
If the machine only has a cold fill perhaps you could get the back off it, locate the heating element and disconnect it or cut the wires.
Or just switch it off
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 17, 2020 21:31:23 GMT
If the machine only has a cold fill perhaps you could get the back off it, locate the heating element and disconnect it or cut the wires. Or just switch it off If the water isn’t hot enough, the controller will turn on the heater and wait for the water to become warm enough. If the heater isn’t connected it will wait forever (whilst turning the drum etc).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 21:38:42 GMT
Ah. That could be a problem.
These pesky controllers are a real nuisance.
I personally think that washing machines on boats are a red herring.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 17, 2020 22:12:51 GMT
I'm hoping one of these slimline machines will run on say 1kw, so that my inverter stands a chance, but I'm seeing more often recently that the running power for domestic appliances isnt quoted, but instead they give annual running costs Washing machines don’t use much, apart from the heating element. It will be fine on a 1.8kw inverter provided the heater doesn’t come on. Heater is likely to be 2kw, plus the drum motor/pump etc. Ideally one should choose a washer with a cold wash option and fill with warm/hot water for the wash, but failing that, filling with hot water that is hotter than the set temperature usually means the thermostat doesn’t cause the heater to kick in. On Ricco’s point, yes motor startup current can be much, much higher than the running current, but in the case of a washing machine this isn’t much of an issue because the motor is controlled by the computer which gives it a “soft start” that mostly eliminates the startup surge. Doesn't filling with over hot water risk shrinking your grundies, running the risk that your partner, viewing from behind, might think you've developed a fetish for wearing thongs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 22:33:08 GMT
I personally think that washing machines on boats are a red herring. I can see where you're coming from, what with the 50 litres of water needed per machine wash, and the high power needs. Washing machines are pretty resource-hungry in that respect. And I'm not that keen on turning the experience into that of living in a city centre flat, with every convenience to hand. But on the other hand, I want clean and dry clothes where feasible, and I dont have a large wardrobe of gear, so I have to wash it at least once each week. The way I've arrived at this point is the knowledge that I can't wring out wet clothes worth a damn (certainly not as well as a machine spinning them), so everything I hand wash and wring will take twice as long to dry. In the interests of minimising the time that the boat is filled with damp hanging clothes, I am quite keen on the idea of a machine to spin the clothes. But as Peterboat quite rightly pointed out, if you have space for a clothes spinner, why not just put in a washing machine? Even I can do the plumbing for it. I can feed it the hot water it needs via the CH (so I dont have to run the engine the full time), and I can thus keep the power drain to a minimum. If water is short, I'll revert to hand washing (if I'm not handy for a water point or laundry). Its the spinning I really need, but if the washing can be done by the same machine, my thinking is- why not let it crack on with the job? It looks like a no-brainer
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 17, 2020 22:37:31 GMT
I'm not sure the slim £300 quid top loaders being talked about are any better than the under £100 quid camping type machines Mr Stabby uses to wash his grundies. They both state a capacity of 6-7KG. So what's the benefit in paying 3 times the price?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 22:54:12 GMT
The camping item is probably intended for occasional use only.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 6:42:19 GMT
I'm not sure the slim £300 quid top loaders being talked about are any better than the under £100 quid camping type machines Mr Stabby uses to wash his grundies. They both state a capacity of 6-7KG. So what's the benefit in paying 3 times the price? I think with me, any potential purchase starts to get a bit into the 'fork and spoon' mentality, and I always look at a slightly more expensive model and try to convince myself that its extra features are really important to have. Mr Stabby's device will certainly do the washing, but those £100 types are made of plastic, and I have a couple of nagging doubts about how hard they can spin the clothes, which was my main thing. I've got no evidence for suspecting that they might be a bit sub-par at spinning, other than the plastic construction. The other thing was that I watched a couple of youtube videos by owners, and the ones I saw had to be filled manually for each wash/rinse stage, and emptied via a drain hose. Again, its not a big deal at all- a hose from the tap is an easy way to fill them up, and if they are placed on a worktop or in the shower, the drained water can run down the plughole. Whether those two things make it worth spending another £200 is a good question. The 'fork and spooner' in me says yes they are, and how nice it would be to have a machine that you switch on and walk away from, as at home- instead of coming back to the machine every 20 mins or so to empty and/or fill it. And although the washers take a decent load, the spinners are half the volume, so the spinning would be done in batches. Again, no big deal to be fair. I can see that for lots of people, that extra £200 for the more expensive machines could easily be seen as not being worth the extra convenience. If I was certain they could spin really well, it would be a close decision, but on the reviews they just hold up their clothes and sort of say 'yes, seems ok', so I'm tempted by the more expensive model as it seems like it would spin a fair bit better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:01:46 GMT
These look pretty good Froggy, I must say- and very slim as well. Do you think this would run on a 1.8kw inverter? I can only see figures for annual power consumption, but not its normal running power Mine runs from a 1200w, used to run from a 800w.. I have it connected to the hot water supply and ensure I have plenty of hot water before running.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:04:44 GMT
I'm not sure the slim £300 quid top loaders being talked about are any better than the under £100 quid camping type machines Mr Stabby uses to wash his grundies. They both state a capacity of 6-7KG. So what's the benefit in paying 3 times the price? For me I don’t have space to put under a kitchen work surface, and I have a limited gap to put it in, hence the 40cm works well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:05:24 GMT
Washing machines don’t use much, apart from the heating element. It will be fine on a 1.8kw inverter provided the heater doesn’t come on. Heater is likely to be 2kw, plus the drum motor/pump etc. Ideally one should choose a washer with a cold wash option and fill with warm/hot water for the wash, but failing that, filling with hot water that is hotter than the set temperature usually means the thermostat doesn’t cause the heater to kick in. On Ricco’s point, yes motor startup current can be much, much higher than the running current, but in the case of a washing machine this isn’t much of an issue because the motor is controlled by the computer which gives it a “soft start” that mostly eliminates the startup surge. Doesn't filling with over hot water risk shrinking your grundies, running the risk that your partner, viewing from behind, might think you've developed a fetish for wearing thongs? Never had any issues with the water being to hot, nothings shrunk or been ruined
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:06:56 GMT
I would counter the argument about "if you have space for a spinner you have space for a washing machine".
The point about the spinner is that it is not a fixed installation. It is lightweight. Washing machines are heavy.
You can slot the spinner in under a bed or whatever on its side when not in use then pull it out just for the job of spinning. And they are very effective.
A washing machine needs a dedicated space. The spinner doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:11:24 GMT
These look pretty good Froggy, I must say- and very slim as well. Do you think this would run on a 1.8kw inverter? I can only see figures for annual power consumption, but not its normal running power Mine runs from a 1200w, used to run from a 800w.. I have it connected to the hot water supply and ensure I have plenty of hot water before running. Thanks Froggy, I've seen one £100 cheaper so I'm waiting on the seller to confirm its running power. I do like these models, I must say
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:16:10 GMT
Oh and pump outs are better than cassette, and don’t even start on storing poo on your roof for six months
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:23:51 GMT
I would counter the argument about "if you have space for a spinner you have space for a washing machine". The point about the spinner is that it is not a fixed installation. It is lightweight. Washing machines are heavy. You can slot the spinner in under a bed or whatever on its side when not in use then pull it out just for the job of spinning. And they are very effective. A washing machine needs a dedicated space. The spinner doesn't. This is a fair point, and I think to some extent it depends on each boat's layout and space options. The galley on the boat I'm buying is quite generous in terms of space, so I feel a slot could be made for machine near to the sink, although I have to factor in an extra cost if I need a joiner to do it tidily- so there is that to think about. But I think there is space for a permanent machine without too much compromise. The space under the bed is already earmarked for a variety of bits and bobs, so thats not an option. There is a tallish wardrobe but again I have other ideas for that, so a stand alone washer or spinner would probably end up in the bow for the time being. I think I need to be prudent with this. I need a bit more time to check out the galley cupboards and see how difficult it would be to create a space, and to look at the storage space options for a free-standing machine. This is one purchase decision that must wait until I'm settled in. It'll mean faffing around for a delivery location/address, but so be it I think.
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