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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 12:25:42 GMT
Well yes, unless the 'modern' boats fail to cruise for at least 4 hours every day. True, but who would fail to do that? Don’t forget there are issues with fitting instant gas water heaters to a new boat, you can only fit one that is approved for use in boats and there are very few of them around. For us, if we cruise adequately nearly every day which gives “free” hot water, it wouldn’t make sense to have a gas instant water heater unless there was some sort of diversion mechanism to allow hot either from the calorifier or the heater. And instant water heaters are quite ugly both inside and outside the boat. Of course we do also have the Mikuni which can heat the water, that gets used occasionally if we need hot water but don’t need to generate power. Fashion is a strange thing. Almost nobody, assuming they have a mains gas supply, would dream of having anything other than a combi boiler fitted in a house. At the same time, they stop making the equivalent for boats.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 28, 2020 12:48:42 GMT
True, but who would fail to do that? Don’t forget there are issues with fitting instant gas water heaters to a new boat, you can only fit one that is approved for use in boats and there are very few of them around. For us, if we cruise adequately nearly every day which gives “free” hot water, it wouldn’t make sense to have a gas instant water heater unless there was some sort of diversion mechanism to allow hot either from the calorifier or the heater. And instant water heaters are quite ugly both inside and outside the boat. Of course we do also have the Mikuni which can heat the water, that gets used occasionally if we need hot water but don’t need to generate power. Fashion is a strange thing. Almost nobody, assuming they have a mains gas supply, would dream of having anything other than a combi boiler fitted in a house. At the same time, they stop making the equivalent for boats. However compared to domestic gas boilers, the boat market is very small. And as I said, for us nearly all the hot water is “free” ie a byproduct of cruising. Even if boaty Combi boilers were available, I wouldn’t have one as heating your boat with bottled gas is very expensive.
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Post by phil70 on Aug 28, 2020 13:05:57 GMT
Fashion is a strange thing. Almost nobody, assuming they have a mains gas supply, would dream of having anything other than a combi boiler fitted in a house. At the same time, they stop making the equivalent for boats. However compared to domestic gas boilers, the boat market is very small. And as I said, for us nearly all the hot water is “free” ie a byproduct of cruising. Even if boaty Combi boilers were available, I wouldn’t have one as heating your boat with bottled gas is very expensive. Oh yes heating by gas is verý expensive, I know because I heated our boat by gas the 1st winter aboard. Average 2 bottles a week and as soon as Spring arrived I put in a stove. The boiler was an Ellis and was confined to providing a bit of heat for the odd half hour, the bonus was it also provided hot water. Phil
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:19:42 GMT
Because of the weather I haven't cruised today so will run my engine merely to charge batteries and heat water.
Moored boats with solar panels will be doing exactly the same due to the weather.
I am a boater ... I am accepting and pretty chilled about boats and boaters.
If it was a problem to me I'd sell up.
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 14:38:28 GMT
No engine running for me today, I have solar panels. It doesn't need to be sunny. Voltage 14.8, amps 2.2 so given that I have a single 105ah battery, fully charged, more or less. Same or better every day since 11 march.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 15:20:39 GMT
No engine running for me today, I have solar panels. It doesn't need to be sunny. Voltage 14.8, amps 2.2 so given that I have a single 105ah battery, fully charged, more or less. Same or better every day since 11 march. I wish I could live like that, but I can’t, not moved today and solar not really done much but had drill charging, radio on all day, toaster earlier and stain charging back up as made some mess doing some jobs.. The engine has been run for two hours, luckily though here boats around me are non liveaboard so empty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 15:37:47 GMT
Because of the weather I haven't cruised today so will run my engine merely to charge batteries and heat water. Moored boats with solar panels will be doing exactly the same due to the weather. I am a boater ... I am accepting and pretty chilled about boats and boaters. If it was a problem to me I'd sell up. Rog Plugged in, batteries charging, Wallas hot air heater ticking over, may need to fire the Webasto up for hot water later on - absolutely toasty warm and barely any noise pollution. Fridge is on 240v and the cool box full of drinks is going like the clappers 👍😜
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Post by ianali on Aug 28, 2020 15:57:40 GMT
No engine running for me today, I have solar panels. It doesn't need to be sunny. Voltage 14.8, amps 2.2 so given that I have a single 105ah battery, fully charged, more or less. Same or better every day since 11 march. I wish I could live like that, but I can’t, not moved today and solar not really done much but had drill charging, radio on all day, toaster earlier and stain charging back up as made some mess doing some jobs.. The engine has been run for two hours, luckily though here boats around me are non liveaboard so empty. I doubt that many boaters would be bothered by you running your engine for a couple of hours during the day. It certainly wouldn’t trouble me. I can only think of the odd time that it’s wound me up. Chap in Berkhampstead springs to mind. He asked if I minded if he ran his engine. I said no problem makes no difference to me. He ran his engine pretty well every hour for 10 mins, throughout the night. Very odd chap, but rather likeable. Some funny people about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 16:15:42 GMT
Because of the weather I haven't cruised today so will run my engine merely to charge batteries and heat water. Moored boats with solar panels will be doing exactly the same due to the weather. I am a boater ... I am accepting and pretty chilled about boats and boaters. If it was a problem to me I'd sell up. Rog Plugged in, batteries charging, Wallas hot air heater ticking over, may need to fire the Webasto up for hot water later on - absolutely toasty warm and barely any noise pollution. Fridge is on 240v and the cool box full of drinks is going like the clappers 👍😜 It would have to be a hell of a long hook-up cable for me to be plugged in at my moorings. Rog
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Post by ianali on Aug 28, 2020 16:22:33 GMT
Plugged in, batteries charging, Wallas hot air heater ticking over, may need to fire the Webasto up for hot water later on - absolutely toasty warm and barely any noise pollution. Fridge is on 240v and the cool box full of drinks is going like the clappers 👍😜 It would have to be a hell of a long hook-up cable for me to be plugged in at my moorings. Rog Soon there will be electric points all over the system. Thousands of em, just you wait and see.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 28, 2020 16:25:15 GMT
It would have to be a hell of a long hook-up cable for me to be plugged in at my moorings. Rog Soon there will be electric points all over the system. Thousands of em, just you wait and see. Aye, 10 quid for 24 hours, if we're lucky. Mind you boaters are a resourceful bunch. It wouldn't be long before boaters were fitting massive battery banks, to avoid having to pay the fee too regularly. And then, inevitably, a boater will rock up at a bollard, hook up, then run extension leads to various other boats, all at a fiver a night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 16:25:19 GMT
And for cars ... everywhere ... I know ... isn't progress wonderful Rog
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 16:27:12 GMT
Electricity is a scam.
Nobody really needs it but you get addicted to it.
Years ago people didn't have electric. Were their lives worse for it? Unlikely.
Same thing with cars and internet.
They simply enslave people.
Relentless "progress" can't possibly work. At some point it goes pear shaped. It seems inevitable.
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Post by phil70 on Aug 29, 2020 7:04:56 GMT
It would have to be a hell of a long hook-up cable for me to be plugged in at my moorings. Rog Soon there will be electric points all over the system. Thousands of em, just you wait and see. Not holding my breath Phil
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Post by JohnV on Aug 29, 2020 7:08:04 GMT
No engine running for me today, I have solar panels. It doesn't need to be sunny. Voltage 14.8, amps 2.2 so given that I have a single 105ah battery, fully charged, more or less. Same or better every day since 11 march. I don't need much sunshine for my solar panels but when it's very heavy overcast it doesn't give much .... The other day when it was black outside and throwing it down, I was getting only just under 1 amp (at 24 Volts) from a Kw of panels.
Generally during the summer months I'm fine and can manage two or three days of overcast (and although the boat has electric cooking etc I have run off solar since about April and that includes quite a bit of welding etc) I have a fairly large bank of LiFePO4's which gives me a fair supply inspite of the electric kettle going on for the hourly cup of tea
I just accept that I need a bit more than solar during winter or prolongued overcast (I dislike relying on shore power which is why I am just in the process of installing a vertical wind generator in the hopes of improving my off grid potential) but when available it's better than the generator running for a few hours
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