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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 7, 2020 9:51:04 GMT
The best thing about electric boats is all that copper wiring the pikeys will steal when you're at Tesco is that, on braking/slowing down, they produce enough electricity to recharge the batteries.
I got expelled from the Anti-Apartheid Society at University for asking for my free Nelson Mandela.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 12:06:46 GMT
At the risk of becoming a pedant myself, is it worth pointing out that 'zero emissions capable' is a long way from 'zero emissions'? My original post was 9 out of 10 orders with Finesse were for full electric boats so clearly buyers think different to you? like myself they will have large solar arrays meaning in the winter they will be self sufficient in electric. By using 48 volts they have the option to have all solar for drive use a 48 volt inverter and have a 48 to 12 volt charger for leisure use keeping the system simple. I did not o this way as I purchased 36 volt batteries cheaply allowing ny system to run at 72 volts and effectively A boat does not have the space for a solar system that will be sufficient during the short daylight hours in the depth of winter. I absolutely know this because I have spoken to several people who have tried. You're making this stuff up as you go along Peter, with not one iota of evidence. Anyone with an electric powered narrow boat will need either a generator, or charging post during the winter months.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 15:24:27 GMT
At the risk of becoming a pedant myself, is it worth pointing out that 'zero emissions capable' is a long way from 'zero emissions'? My original post was 9 out of 10 orders with Finesse were for full electric boats so clearly buyers think different to you? like myself they will have large solar arrays meaning in the winter they will be self sufficient in electric. By using 48 volts they have the option to have all solar for drive use a 48 volt inverter and have a 48 to 12 volt charger for leisure use keeping the system simple. I did not o this way as I purchased 36 volt batteries cheaply allowing ny system to run at 72 volts and effectively I'm sure many find the fully electric scenario desirable. I just thought to point out that a hybrid vehicle is 'zero emissions capable'. Just ask any London hackney cab driver who will tell you all about it providing he can stop himself from pissing his pants laughing first.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 8, 2020 9:09:40 GMT
I can cruise for over 10 hours on battery alone, as for Finesse boats I am sure if you contact Richard he will tell you all about his new electric drive system and the fact that one of the ordered boats is having 10 KW of bifacial panels fitted, yes its a big boat [its going to London I believe] so it has the roof space to do it like me [nearly 5w on mine] As for me my boat suits my usage and the license fee suits me as well 25% discount isnt to be sniffed at
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Post by JohnV on Oct 8, 2020 9:38:37 GMT
Just wondering ....... all electric boat towing an unpowered butty ...... with a bloody great diesel gennie in it
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 8, 2020 9:43:12 GMT
Before I 'get into' thinking of electric boats, cars, motorbikes or whatever, I'd like to see the following:
A simple, easily read and understood report, one written without bias, that compares the environmental damage caused by 10 years of average usage of petrol/ diesel vehicles vs. the environmental damage caused in obtaining the raw materials, transporting, processing, manufacture and delivery both to create an electrically powered vehicle and to dispose of it at the end of its life. And then, I'd like to see another unbiased report that details the environmental damage caused by the production of the additional electricity required to power these vehicles. Not a mythical report, one that pretends that we have millions of wind turbines spinning away in the North Sea, that apparently got there by an act of god, will never need servicing, will never break down and will last for ever.
As soon as I can read these 2 reports in tandem, I'll start to consider whether electric vehicles are worthwhile, or not.
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Post by bodger on Oct 8, 2020 9:52:53 GMT
Before I 'get into' thinking of electric boats, cars, motorbikes or whatever, I'd like to see the following: A simple, easily read and understood report, one written without bias, that compares the environmental damage caused by 10 years of average usage of petrol/ diesel vehicles vs. the environmental damage caused in obtaining the raw materials, transporting, processing, manufacture and delivery both to create an electrically powered vehicle and to dispose of it at the end of its life. And then, I'd like to see another unbiased report that details the environmental damage caused by the production of the additional electricity required to power these vehicles. Not a mythical report, one that pretends that we have millions of wind turbines spinning away in the North Sea, that apparently got there by an act of god, will never need servicing, will never break down and will last for ever. As soon as I can read these 2 reports in tandem, I'll start to consider whether electric vehicles are worthwhile, or not. why don't you look for such a report instead of waiting for someone else to put it on your dinner plate?
it took me 30 seconds to find this .................. even Greenpeace understands the reality:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 9:54:44 GMT
One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason, for a push towards electric road transport is that all cars will be fully tracked, energy consumption will be tracked down to the watt/hour and everything anyone ever does will be uploaded to the server.
There is a massive amount of very valuable data available.
Tesla do it already.
It would be very tricky to bolt on this sort of tech to existing cars but by insisting on new electric cars it can be in there already.
I don't know if you can opt out of data sharing with a Tesla but I doubt it.
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Post by bodger on Oct 8, 2020 9:57:03 GMT
One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason, for a push towards electric road transport is that all cars will be fully tracked, energy consumption will be tracked down to the watt/hour and everything anyone ever does will be uploaded to the server. There is a massive amount of very valuable data available. Tesla do it already. It would be very tricky to bolt on this sort of tech to existing cars but by insisting on new electric cars it can be in there already. I don't know if you can opt out of data sharing with a Tesla but I doubt it. and why is data gathering "perhaps the main reason"? surely it is just a side benefit to the industry and possibly to governments, but no more than that.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 8, 2020 10:07:27 GMT
One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason, for a push towards electric road transport is that all cars will be fully tracked, energy consumption will be tracked down to the watt/hour and everything anyone ever does will be uploaded to the server. There is a massive amount of very valuable data available. Tesla do it already. It would be very tricky to bolt on this sort of tech to existing cars but by insisting on new electric cars it can be in there already. I don't know if you can opt out of data sharing with a Tesla but I doubt it. and why is data gathering "perhaps the main reason"? surely it is just a side benefit to the industry and possibly to governments, but no more than that. Being paranoid doesn't mean that they are not out to get you
I'm with Andrew on this one
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 8, 2020 10:07:52 GMT
Before I 'get into' thinking of electric boats, cars, motorbikes or whatever, I'd like to see the following: A simple, easily read and understood report, one written without bias, that compares the environmental damage caused by 10 years of average usage of petrol/ diesel vehicles vs. the environmental damage caused in obtaining the raw materials, transporting, processing, manufacture and delivery both to create an electrically powered vehicle and to dispose of it at the end of its life. And then, I'd like to see another unbiased report that details the environmental damage caused by the production of the additional electricity required to power these vehicles. Not a mythical report, one that pretends that we have millions of wind turbines spinning away in the North Sea, that apparently got there by an act of god, will never need servicing, will never break down and will last for ever. As soon as I can read these 2 reports in tandem, I'll start to consider whether electric vehicles are worthwhile, or not. why don't you look for such a report instead of waiting for someone else to put it on your dinner plate?
it took me 30 seconds to find this .................. even Greenpeace understands the reality:
Sure there's plenty out there. What |I meant was, the truth, which would be accessible from the reports I suggested, or similar, should be supplied to the people by the establishment. The establishment are pushing for this change, it's time for them to be honest about the ramifications of what they seek, versus maintaining the status quo or perhaps, other alternatives. Until that happens I shall continue to sing 'la,la,la,la' to myself in my mind, whenever the establishment seek to indoctrinate me into their thinking.
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Post by kris on Oct 8, 2020 10:24:08 GMT
There was an interesting program on the world service this morning about Tesla. It was saying that car ownership is probably going to decline. So motor manufactures are probably on stick wickets.
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Post by Jim on Oct 9, 2020 12:49:36 GMT
Wandering slightly, as ever. Ebike batteries last a lot longer if only charged to 41 or 41.5 voles rather than 42. So using a charger that can be limited is a good thing. The issue is that the BMS only kicks in at 42 voles. However it has been found that BMS is only needed every 100 cycles or so. So I looked up the appropriate tweak able charger, Sans 2a model. One variant seems to have the 3pin plug @magnetman was looking for, tried to pm him but he's changed his background name again. Stupid Boy! If he is within reach of anyone with a "yard" give him a poke!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 12:53:18 GMT
Wandering slightly, as ever. Ebike batteries last a lot longer if only charged to 41 or 41.5 voles rather than 42. So using a charger that can be limited is a good thing. The issue is that the BMS only kicks in at 42 voles. However it has been found that BMS is only needed every 100 cycles or so. So I looked up the appropriate tweak able charger, Sans 2a model. One variant seems to have the 3pin plug @magnetman was looking for, tried to pm him but he's changed his background name again. Stupid Boy! If he is within reach of anyone with a "yard" give him a poke! My user name is still magnetman.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 9, 2020 13:07:49 GMT
In all honesty it doesnt matter what we think or do electric cars will take over and it will be far more rapid than what we think, this is new car sales I am on about. Nearly all governments are giving electric cars tax breaks shortly green number plates will arrive here giving dedicated parking. allowed to travel in bus lanes etc, whilst petrol and diesel cars will become ever more expensive to use and own. We are at the forefront of windturbine tech and every windfarm we open is the next largest in the world, none of this is bad if we are to give our children and grandchildren a decent chance at life. I suppose the difference is some of us on here welcome these changes and the way things are going and others want to live in the past. Heating on a boat is always going to be a sticking point admittedly most of us can use wood which is carbon neutral for the most part, I use a lot od wood already to supplement the anthracite I burn a ton a year is a lot of carbon but thats my cooking hot water and central heating taken care of. Their is no simple answers to the changes that are going to happen and I for one welcome those changes even though it might make my boating life difficult
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